Minutes IETF114: intarea
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IntArea WG Agenda
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IETF 114 - Hybrid meeting, Philadelphia + Online
Thursday, July 28, 2022

10:00-12:00 Thursday Session I (Philadelphia local time, UTC-5)

Chairs:
Juan Carlos Zuniga (Cisco)
Wassim Haddad (Ericsson)

1. Agenda Bashing, WG & Document Status Updates (Chairs)
    5 minutes

Juan Carlos Z??iga (JCZ) presents the chair slides.
Luigi Iannone (LI) volunteers to help taking notes.

2. AERO/OMNI and IP Parcels, Fred Templin
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    30 min

Fred Templin (FT) presents the slides.
FT asks for adoption. Wassim Haddad (WH) reminds that there was a call
initiated in June, with no enough support so far. Stu Card: where will the TCP
otions appear ? Fred: only in the first segment.

3. Internet Addressing Considerations - Luigi Iannone
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    30 min

Luigi Iannone (LI) presents the slides.

Eric Vyncke: Has discussed these topics with the IRTF chair Colin Perkings.
Agrees with some of the concerns that are brought up (ID/Loc) but not entirely
sure if it is a gap or done by design. Also has some concerns about the
slightly excessive author list. Eric mentioned the ways to progress this work
were discussed at a retreat and that the potential venues to progress include *
Creating an RG * Running an IAB workshop * Creating a new WG * Continue
discussions in intarea

Luigi prefers the last two options as he does not believe this is purely
research work.

Suresh Krishnan (SK) believes large bodies of potential work such as this
should not be in intarea as it is intended to do smaller one-off work items.
Luigi promised to address this later in the presentation.

SK expresses that the problems might not be completely clear and agreed upon.
Maybe it might be worthwhile to spend some time in the IRTF to refine this. He
wants the problems and potential solutions to focus on incremental
deployability rather than start with yet another clean slate approach.

Andrew Campling believes this might be a good subject for a future IAB workshop.
?ric Vyncke believes it is possible but solely in the purview of the IAB.

Joel Halpern appreciates the goals but does not believe this is a good starting
point for new work because it mixes existing work, both good and bad, with work
that needs to be done. This might make more sense as a survey paper at SIGCOMM
but not appropriate for IETF.

Luigi agrees that there is work to be done and will try to reorganize the
document. He will try to pick out pieces that will focus on starting new work
that is needed.

Colin Perkins mentioned that there are some issues that have been discussed by
multiple RGs for years and some issues that are straightforward engineering
changes and the wide scoping of the document makes it hard to pin the issues
down.

Luigi agrees with Joel and Colin that the document is broad. The goal of this
document was to kick off the discussions and not necessarily to drive
discussions.

Stu Card believes that splitting up discussions may not be productive. Mentions
that the drip WG might be working on some of the mentioned issues. Also why
IETF and not IRTF?

Dino Farinacci suggests focusing on a single problem to start off with (e.g.
proxy aggregation in BGP) instead of spreading too thin and try to address
everything.

Dominique Lazanski agrees with Dino and believes that the document is too broad
and on the focus point.

Dino thinks starting with a small focused problem might lead to better outcomes
including more follow up work addressing other issues. Talked about the example
of RSVP which started with academia and had limited deployment initially but
found wider applicability later across multiple protocols.

4. IANA Considerations and IETF Protocol and Documentation Usage - Donald
Eastlake draft-eastlake-rfc7042bis-08
    10 min

Donald is not in the room. Chairs move to the next agenda item.

Donald Eastlake (DE) presents the slides.

(DE presents after Zongpeng)

Juan-Carlos Zuniga agrees with WG call for adoption, and using IntArea ML to
discuss and improve the document

Carlos Bernardos mentions that there should also be a reference to RFC8948 - DE
agrees

Wassim mentions that a call for adoption will be issued

5. Service Routing in Multi-access Edge Computing - Zongpeng Du
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    10 min

Zongpeng Du (ZD) presents the slides.

EV asks why they submitted this draft to intarea instead of v6ops.

EV mentions that this work should probably be discussed in the SDO that
develops MEC, like 3GPP.