Minutes IETF98: dime
minutes-98-dime-00

Dime notes: Jean Mahoney (with some material taken from Etherpad notes).
Etherpad notes: Dave Doilson; Also take a look at those.

WG status

Change of AD - Ben is now AD.

Good Progress in WG

Ben is Jabber scribe

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Marco -  Group Signaling

Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-group-signaling/
Slides:
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-dime-group-signaling-00.pdf

Fixed remaining comments.

Jouni: Anyone challenging the draft going to WGLC? Silence from room

Jean - Any implementation?

Marco - No (? tools). Treat as experimental, as usual in Diameter.

Lyle - this is blocking applications, telecom companies looking for this to be
finished first.

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Dave Dolson - 4006bis

Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dime-rfc4006bis/
Slides:
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-dime-rfc4006bis-00.pdf

Went over diffs between this and 4006

Jouni - *** wanted to fix *** for a while, not trivial.

Lyle - maybe bring this up on the ML? It will be a long discussion.

ACTION

Dave - don't believe there are any more issues.

Jouni - Do you accept pull requests?

Lyle - yes

Jouni - would like someone from 3GPP to review (excluding Lionel). If you could
ask around. Can do as part of WGLC.  ACTION: Jouni will ask Lionel to poke 3GPP
folks for reviews.

Jouni out next week but will kick off WGLC after that. Maybe 3-4 weeks review.
done with WGLC by end April.

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Lyle - Policy Groups

Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bertz-dime-policygroups/
Slides:
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-dime-diameter-policy-groups-00.pdf

Would like this to be a WG doc going forward, after getting feedback on list.

Jouni - who has read? Half the working group (only 7 people in room)

Dave - sounds like a good idea, but document doesn't explain as well as Lyle
does.

Jean - echoes

Jouni - why not an app id?

Lyle - we are implementing it in everything we can. We're an operator. Expecting
this AVPs to be added to existing apps as optional AVPs.

Jouni - would like to see discussion. They we come back.

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Lyle - Predictive

12:40 - 12:50 Diameter Predicted Units, Lyle Bertz
Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bertz-dime-predictunits/
Slides:
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/slides/slides-98-dime-diameter-predicted-units-00.pdf

Ben (as individual) - as individual, haven't read, so take this with grain of
salt - privacy issues?

Lyle - we have a lot of concerns. Assume worst case - it's very user centric.
We're already into this mess. We'd like help.

Ben (as individual) - we're including how we think the user is going to behave.

Lyle - we need an exhaustive privacy consideration section.

Dave - Back to the list of metrics. It looks like a Gy app - you would port to
any type of application. Privacy Considerations - should say you should
not...applications that would not  otherwise collect usage. Would you report
disk usage and CPU.

Lyle - this is just one dimension, if we want to add that - it would be more
complex.

Dave - inside predictive units, you could list multiple things - is that not
multiple dimensions

Lyle - we see people packing more than one unit it. We've seen both, want to
keep it consistent with main base specs. We can talk about it on mailing list.

Jouni - half the working group has read this. Not in the charter.

Jouni - what's the AD's view on this, there was the plan to wind this WG down.

Ben - If there is interesting work to do, they could do it. Would be good to see
interest on ML.

Jouni - after overload, which was peak for work, there's no interest. Active
number of participants can be counted on one hand.

Ben - we may see things from 5G or virtualization. Wait till CT4 gets ahold of
this. Can ask on the list what interest is on the list. I don't have an opinion
on keeping the WG going vs spinning down. Maintenance groups can go dormant.
It's a small set to take on new milestones.

Jouni - I would like to ask around more. Don't have anything against work
proposed. Would like to see more interest.

Ben - you mean interest in at least reviewing.

Jouni - Doesn't mean that nothing happens before Prague we can do things on the
ML. Adding milestones is easy if we need to take on the work.

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AOB

We are done for this IETF meeting.
WGLC for Group Signaling.
Will engage 3GPP in 4006bis last call.
For two new pieces, the authors can do it by themselves, and Jouni will come
back in a week to try to sense interest. Asking WG about ambition for working
on new work.