2021-06-24: Minutes
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Minutes of the 2021-06-24 IETF-IEEE 802 Coordination Teleconference

1. Welcome, roll call, agenda bashing

Present:

- Alvaro Retana
- Cindy Morgan
- Donald Eastlake
- Dorothy Stanley
- Erik Kline
- Eve Schooler
- Francesca Palombini
- Glenn Parsons
- John Scudder
- Martin Duke
- Martin Vigoureux
- Murray Kucherawy
- Pascal Thubert
- Paul Congdon
- Peter Yee
- Rick Taylor
- Rob Wilton
- Roman Danyliw
- Russ Housley
- Warren Kumari
- Zahed Sarker

2. Action item updates

  In Progress:

    - Pat Kinney to provide a status update on 802.15.12.
      • Originally added 2019-06-18; updated 2020-10-27
      • 2021-02-17: Dorothy Stanley agreed to reach out for an update


    - Scott Mansfield and Rob Wilton to get IEEE and IETF people 
      together to brainstorm a way forward that will allow exact 
      match string comparison for MAC addresses.
      • Added 2020-06-15
      • 2021-02-17: Rob and Scott agreed to write up a summary of the 
        problem and send it to the coordination list
      + 2021-06-24: Rob reported that Scott presented this in NETMOD at 
        IETF 110 and has found some people interested in working on a 
        draft.

3. IETF New Work summary
   https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart

  - Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (SEDATE) 
    Area: Applications and Real-Time

    SEDATE is expected to be chartered as a Working Group before IETF 
    111. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/sedate/about/.

  - SCIM Industry Next Steps (SINS)
    Area: Applications and Real-Time

    This BOF will explore possible updates to the System for Cross-
    domain Identity Management (SCIM) RFCs.

  - MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application 
    Services (MADINAS)
    Area: Internet

    The MADINAS BOF will examine the effect of RCM schemes on network 
    and application services in several scenarios identified as 
    relevant. The group will also evaluate various identifiers (beyond 
    the MAC address) that can be used by the network to provide 
    services, as well as scenarios where personal device identity is not 
    required.

    Glenn Parsons noted that this may overlap with activities in 802.

    A new item will be added to the coordination list on this topic, 
    with Glenn Parsons, Dorothy Stanley, and Eric Vyncke as the owners.

  - Application-aware Networking (APN)
    Area: Routing

    The APN BOF will focus on the network-side solution for a framework 
    to add an attribute in the tunnel encapsulation header at the edge 
    of the operator's network domain, based on the existing information 
    (e.g. 5-tuple and/or QinQ) in the packet header, facilitating the 
    flexible enforcement of various policies in different nodes along a 
    network path onto the traffic flow, with no need to further resolve 
    the N-tuple at each policy enforcement node.

  - DANE AutheNtication for IoT Service Hardening (DANISH)
    Area: Security

    The DANISH BOF will focus on extending the DANE standard to 
    encompass client identity and message sender identity use cases. 
    DANISH also seeks to define a transitional mode for DANE, which will 
    allow the safe adoption of DANE for domain owners who have not yet 
    implemented DNSSEC.

    Glenn Parsons noted that 802 has work on authentication mechanisms 
    for IOT at layer 2, and asked if this would be higher in the stack.
    Roman Danyliw replied that it is higher in the stack.

    Glenn Parsons asked if there was any need to coordinate with 802.1x. 
    Roman Danyliw replied that the current scope is very narrow, so he 
    does not think so. If the scope is broadened, coordination may be 
    necessary.

  - Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP)
    Area: Security

    The OHTTP BOF will work on the Oblivious HTTP protocol, a method of 
    encapsulating HTTP requests and responses that provides protected, 
    low-latency exchanges.


4. 802 New Work summary
   https://ieee802.org/PARs.shtml

  Dorothy Stanley noted that in addition to the items listed on the PARs 
  web page, an amendment to extend the PAR for 802.11az will go before 
  the board in September 2021.

  - 802.1Qcw - Amendment: YANG Data Models for Scheduled Traffic, Frame 
    Preemption, and Per-Stream Filtering and Policing, PAR Extension 

    This is an extension to an existing PAR that was set to expire in 
    December 2021.


  - 802.1Qcj - Amendment: Automatic Attachment to Provider Backbone 
    Bridging (PBB) services, PAR Extension

    This is an extension to an existing PAR that was set to expire in 
    December 2021.

  - 802.1 - Industry Connections: Nendica ICAID

    This is a pre-PAR effort to charter a group on Network Enhancements 
    for the Next Decade Industry Connections Activity to look at topics 
    that are relevant across all of 802. 


  - 802.3de - Amendment: Enhancements to the MAC Merge function and the 
    Time Synchronization Service Interface (TSSI) to include Point-to-
    Point 10 Mb/s Single Pair Ethernet, PAR

    The PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate 
    modifications of the IEEE Std 802.3 MAC Merge function and the Time 
    Synchronization Service Interface (TSSI) to support 10 Mb/s Single 
    Pair Ethernet point to point PHYs.

  - 802.15.13 Standard: Multi-Gigabit per Second Optical Wireless 
    Communications (OWC), with Ranges up to 200 meters, for both 
    stationary and mobile devices, PAR Extension

    This is an extension to an existing PAR that was set to expire in 
    December 2021.

  - 802.15.4-2020/Cor1 Corrigendum 1: Correction of errors preventing 
    backward compatibility, PAR Modification

    This PAR modification Is to correct errors preventing backwards 
    compatibility in 082.15.4-2020.

  - 802.15.4ab Amendment: Enhanced Ultra Wide-Band (UWB) Physical Layers 
    (PHYs) and Associated MAC Enhancements, PAR

    This PAR amendment enhances the Ultra Wideband (UWB) physical layers 
    (PHYs) medium access control (MAC), and associated ranging 
    techniques while retaining backward compatibility with enhanced 
    ranging capable devices (ERDEVs).

  - 802.15.6a Amendment: Dependable Human and Vehicle Body Area 
    Networks, PAR

    This PAR amendment enhances the Ultra-Wideband (UWB) physical layer 
    (PHY) and medium access control (MAC) to support enhanced 
    dependability to human body area networks (HBAN) and adds support 
    for vehicle body area networks (VBAN), operating under strict 
    compliance to standards and limits for electromagnetic compatibility 
    (EMC) and electromagnetic interference (EMI).

  - 802.15.14 Standard: Ad-Hoc Impulse Radio Ultra Wideband Wireless 
    Networks, PAR

    This PAR specifies the physical layer (PHY) and data link layer for 
    impulse radio ultra wideband (UWB) wireless connectivity with fixed, 
    portable, and moving devices with limited energy consumption 
    requirements, and supports precision ranging. 

  - 802.15.15 Standard: Ad-Hoc Low-Rate Wireless Networks, PAR

    This PAR specifies the physical layer (PHY) and data link layer for 
    ad hoc low data rate wireless connectivity with fixed, portable, and 
    moving devices with very low energy consumption requirements. PHYs 
    are defined for devices operating in a variety of regulatory 
    domains.


5. Review current coordination items

  - Item 5. Enabling use of Local Addresses for virtualization and IoT

    Glenn Parsons reported that the Task Force letter ballot for 802.1CQ 
    is expected in July 2021.

    Pascal Thubert requested that RFC 8929, "Address-Protected Neighbor 
    Discovery for Low-Power and Lossy Networks," be added to the list of 
    relevant documents.

  - Item 25. Layer 2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic

    John Scudder will replace Deborah Brungard as the owner of this item 
    from the IETF side.

    Glenn Parsons reported that P802.1Qcz is stalled behind the update 
    of the base P802.1Q.

  - Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802

    Russ Housley reported that P802.1ABcu is currently in IEEE SA letter 
    ballot.

    Glenn Parsons reported that P802.1ABcv and P802.1ABcw are expected 
    to move to IEEE SA letter ballot after the July 2021 plenary 
    meeting.

    Glenn Parsons reported that the Etherype YANG document is expected 
    to move to WG letter ballot after the July 2021 plenary meeting.

  - Item 33. Capability Discovery

    Alvaro Retana reported that there has not been any progress on this 
    from the LSVR WG side, as they have been focusing on the base spec.

    Paul Congdon reported that the LLDPv2 draft is going to IEEE SA 
    letter ballot.

    Paul Congdon noted that draft-congdon-lsvr-lldp-tlvs has expired and 
    can be taken off the list of relevant documents. Alvaro Retana 
    replied that he would talk to the WG chairs about that document, as 
    he suspects that the document expired not out of lack of interest, 
    but because everything was focused on L3DL.

  - Item 34. Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW)

    Eve Schooler reported that the RAW WG has sent draft-ietf-raw-ldacs 
    to the IESG.

  - Possible New Coordination Items

    A new item on MAC Address Device Identification for Network and 
    Application Services (MADINAS) will be added to the coordination 
    list.


6. Adjourn