2020-01-21-rsoc-minutes
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RFC SERIES OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE (RSOC)
January 21, 2020 RSOC Meeting

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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- Sarah Banks (RSOC Chair) 
- Tony Hansen 
- Christian Huitema (IAB Lead)
- John Levine, (Temporary RFC Series Project Manager, non-voting)
- Cindy Morgan (Scribe, non-voting)
- Mark Nottingham 
- Adam Roach
- Peter Saint-Andre

REGRETS
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- Jay Daley (IETF LLC Board Liaison, non-voting)


RSOC DECISIONS: 2020
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2019 Decisions: <https://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2020/01/rsoc-decisions-2019.txt>

ACTION ITEM REVIEW
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  New:

  - 2020-01-22: Sarah Banks to invite Sandy Ginoza to attend future RSOC 
    meetings.

  - 2020-01-22: Sarah Banks to get an update on the current status of 
    the RPC's tools from Sandy Ginoza.

  - 2020-01-22: Sarah Banks to add an item to the monthly RFC Series 
    report to the IAB to note that the timeline to propose a new SLA for 
    the RPC has slipped because the tools are not yet in a steady state.

  - 2020-01-22: Mark Nottingham to draft a message to the IAB and RFC-
    interest on behalf of the RSOC about the impact of changes to the v3 
    format as it becomes operational.


1. Administrivia

  The minutes of the 2019-10-15 and 2019-11-21 RSOC meetings were 
  approved.


2. Temporary Project Manager On-boarding

  Sarah Banks asked for an update on the Temporary RFC Series Project 
  Manager on-boarding process. John Levine replied that things are going 
  well and that he has been in occasional contact with Heather Flanagan.

  Peter Saint-Andre asked whether John Levine has any feedback about the 
  on-boarding materials that he was provided. John replied that it was 
  difficult to evaluate whether there were any gaps because he already 
  had experience with the IETF and the RFC Series.


3. Status of v3 work 

  John Levine reported that the list of things to be fixed in the v3 
  vocabulary is still significant. The RFC Production Center has added a 
  new state to the publication process, TI (Tooling Issue; an update is 
  needed to one or more of the tools in the publication pipeline before 
  this document can be published).

  John Levine noted that the incremental changes to XML2RFC as bugs are 
  fixed is resulting in changes to the XML grammar, which means that a 
  number of RFCs will end up published in an intermediate format. Having 
  things published in an interim format affects the archival quality of 
  the RFC Series. 

  Sarah Banks observed that the bugs will need to be fixed before the 
  RSOC can revisit/reinstate the RPC's SLA, and asked what the expected 
  timeline for closing those bug reports is. John Levine will check with 
  Henrik Levkowetz on that and report back to the RSOC.

  Adam Roach noted that the SVG output currently relies on a version of 
  SVG Tiny that is in the process of being deprecated by the W3C. Peter 
  Saint-Andre clarified that the issue is that there are no plans to 
  have SVG Tiny under the next version of SVG. Mark Nottingham will 
  investigate this further with the W3C and report back to the RSOC. 


4. SLA Update

  Sarah Banks noted that the RSOC had requested that the IETF LLC 
  suspend the RPC SLA until after Q1 2020, with the following expected 
  timeline:

    - 2019-09-15: New format goes live
    - 2019-09-15 - 2019-10-31: Identify and fix critical bugs
    - 2019-11-01: RPC workload considered stable for new state of play
    - 2019-11-01 - 2020-01-21: RPC works in the new state of play and 
      collects input on what that means for their workload
    - 2020-01-21: RSOC proposes updated SLA

  However, since the tools are not yet in a steady state, the RPC does 
  not yet know what their regular work flow will be under the new 
  format.

  Sarah Banks suggested inviting Sandy Ginoza to attend all of the 
  future RSOC meetings until there is a new SLA proposal on the table.

  Action Item: Sarah Banks to invite Sandy Ginoza to attend future RSOC 
  meetings.

  Action item: Sarah Banks to get an update on the current status of the 
  RPC's tools from Sandy Ginoza.

  Action item: Sarah Banks to add an item to the monthly RFC Series 
  report to the IAB to note that the timeline to propose a new SLA for 
  the RPC has slipped because the tools are not yet in a steady state.


5. Status of xml2rfc and issues about archival XML RFCs

  Peter Saint-Andre asked whether the RSOC should alert the IAB about 
  the possible issue of RFCs being published in an interim version of 
  XML2RFC affecting the archival quality of the RFC series.

  Action item: Mark Nottingham to draft a message to the IAB and RFC-
  interest on behalf of the RSOC about the impact of changes to the v3 
  format as it becomes operational.


6. AOB