Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP
status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice-01
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2015-10-14
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01 | (System) | Notify list changed from stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, rjsparks@nostrum.com to rjsparks@nostrum.com |
2015-09-21
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01 | Amy Vezza | The following approval message was sent From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Cc: RFC Editor , stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, rjsparks@nostrum.com Subject: Document Action: IAB and IESG Statement … The following approval message was sent From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Cc: RFC Editor , stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, rjsparks@nostrum.com Subject: Document Action: IAB and IESG Statement on Cryptographic Technology and the Internet to Best Current Practice The IESG has approved changing the status of the following document: - IAB and IESG Statement on Cryptographic Technology and the Internet (rfc1984) to Best Current Practice This document action is documented at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice/ A URL of the affected document is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc1984/ Status Change Details: The issue of mandatory government key escrow was recently discussed on the saag list [1] and has also recently been the topic of much broader discussion in the technical community and beyond. RFC1984 [2] has set out the IETF's position on this topic since 1996, when that RFC was published. The principles described in RFC1984 have held up well in the nearly two decades since. For both symbolic reasons (that the technical position then is the technical position now) and to better ensure that IETF specifications reflect the spirit of RFC1984, a number of participants in the discussion felt it would be advantageous to recognize the substantive content of RFC1984 as a BCP. Based on the the saag list discussion and questions considered at the saag meeting at IETF93, the security area of the IETF appear to have rough consensus to change the status of RFC1984 to BCP in-place, without changes to the text. The possibility of revising the text of RFC1984 was discussed, but rejected because a) the current text is still fine, b) any changes we'd likely make now wouldn't improve it significantly, c) affirming the continuity of the IETF's position is valuable and even d) keeping the RFC number is worthwhile. Thus, though there may be boilerplate issues, and issues with some presentations of meta-data, this in-place status change is overall considered reasonable and beneficial. While this is an exceptional case (given the time lapse involved and the change from informational to BCP), this kind of status-change is allowed for by RFC2026 as the text of RFC1984 does represent a result of community deliberation, as does this status-change itself (should it be finally approved). As the IESG and IAB are listed as authors, the current IESG and IAB were asked if they had any objection to this status change. None has been offered so far though the IESG will of course evaluate the last call for this status change. Current tooling support for status change documents does not have the concept of a document shepherd. However, for this IETF last call, Robert Sparks has agreed to act in this role. [1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/saag/current/msg06343.html [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1984 [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2026#section-5 Personnel Stephen Farrell is the responsible Area Director. |
2015-09-21
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01 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the status change |
2015-09-21
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01 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2015-09-21
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01 | Amy Vezza | RFC Status Change state changed to Approved - announcement sent from Approved - announcement to be sent |
2015-09-17
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01 | Cindy Morgan | RFC Status Change state changed to Approved - announcement to be sent from IESG Evaluation |
2015-09-17
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01 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Jari Arkko |
2015-09-17
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01 | Alia Atlas | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alia Atlas |
2015-09-17
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01 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot comment] Having balloted Yes, I note that the question on this ballot is "is this the right thing to do?". There has been more … [Ballot comment] Having balloted Yes, I note that the question on this ballot is "is this the right thing to do?". There has been more than a little process wonking in the community discussion on this status change. Stephen has done a fairly heroic job in responding to that discussion. I happen to think that our current process really doesn't help us in this case (see: lawyering about whether we're allowed to move an Informational RFC produced by the IAB and IESG to BCP without issuing a new RFC, for starters). There are moments when I wish we were doing a new document that says "the IESG has been treating RFC 1984 as if it were an IETF-stream BCP for a very long time. RFC 1984 doesn't look like a BCP that we would publish in 2015, and it wasn't produced the way we would produce a BCP in 2015, but that hasn't prevented anyone from treating it as if it had been produced and evaluated as a BCP, had that option been possible twenty years ago, so, we're going for it", and publishing THAT as a BCP. But the question on this ballot isn't whether we would approve RFC 1984 unchanged as a new RFC, it's whether recognizing twenty years of reality is the right thing to do. So. I'm a Yes. |
2015-09-17
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01 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2015-09-17
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01 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2015-09-16
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01 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot comment] For the record I believe that the IETF experience of the interceding twenty years since the original publication reinforces the necessity of this … [Ballot comment] For the record I believe that the IETF experience of the interceding twenty years since the original publication reinforces the necessity of this statement. |
2015-09-16
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01 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Joel Jaeggli |
2015-09-16
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01 | Terry Manderson | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Terry Manderson |
2015-09-16
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01 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard |
2015-09-16
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01 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Ben Campbell |
2015-09-16
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01 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot comment] Consensus was clear at the SAAG meeting for this change IMO. The mailing list discussions were very helpful to sort through options and … [Ballot comment] Consensus was clear at the SAAG meeting for this change IMO. The mailing list discussions were very helpful to sort through options and opinions. |
2015-09-16
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01 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Kathleen Moriarty |
2015-09-16
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01 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Benoit Claise |
2015-09-16
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01 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2015-09-14
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01 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2015-09-08
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01 | Stephen Farrell | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2015-09-17 |
2015-09-08
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01 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot comment] As this is on a telechat, and I'm the responsible AD, you know that I think there is rough consensus for this. But … [Ballot comment] As this is on a telechat, and I'm the responsible AD, you know that I think there is rough consensus for this. But the in-place part is a bit rough, so to help you figure out what you think, Robert Sparks nicely summarised the IETF last call for this [1] to which Dave Crocker responded [2] calling out that it was more than just one or two folks with issues. (That said, there were a lot of people at the saag meeting who supported doing just this so to the extent that numbers matter, the ietf@ietf.org mailing list traffic is not the full picture as we know.) [1] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg94632.html [2] https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg94635.html |
2015-09-08
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01 | Stephen Farrell | Ballot comment text updated for Stephen Farrell |
2015-09-08
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01 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2015-09-08
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01 | Stephen Farrell | Created "Approve" ballot |
2015-09-08
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01 | Stephen Farrell | RFC Status Change state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2015-09-08
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01 | Stephen Farrell | New version available: status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice-01.txt |
2015-09-07
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00 | (System) | RFC Status Change state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2015-08-10
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00 | Cindy Morgan | The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP The … The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: Recognising RFC1984 as a BCP The IESG has received a request from an individual participant to make the following status changes: - RFC1984 from Informational to Best Current Practice (IAB and IESG Statement on Cryptographic Technology and the Internet) The supporting document for this request can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice/ The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2015-09-07. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. The affected document can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc1984/ IESG discussion of this request can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice/ballot/ |
2015-08-10
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00 | Cindy Morgan | RFC Status Change state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2015-08-10
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00 | Stephen Farrell | Last call was requested |
2015-08-10
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00 | Stephen Farrell | Ballot approval text was generated |
2015-08-10
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00 | Stephen Farrell | Ballot writeup was generated |
2015-08-10
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00 | Stephen Farrell | RFC Status Change state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Review |
2015-08-10
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00 | Stephen Farrell | Last call announcement was generated |
2015-08-04
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00 | Stephen Farrell | Notification list changed to stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie, rjsparks@nostrum.com |
2015-08-04
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00 | Stephen Farrell | New version available: status-change-rfc1984-to-best-current-practice-00.txt |