Agenda interim-2022-cellar-10: Tue 20:00
agenda-interim-2022-cellar-10-sessa-00
| Meeting Agenda | Codec Encoding for LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission (cellar) WG | |
|---|---|---|
| Date and time | 2022-12-06 20:00 | |
| Title | Agenda interim-2022-cellar-10: Tue 20:00 | |
| State | Active | |
| Other versions | markdown | |
| Last updated | 2022-12-06 |
CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
| Date | Time | Local Times |
|---|---|---|
| 2022-12-06 | 21:00 Amsterdam | Time Converter |
| Note | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam |
Administrivia
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-10
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE:
info: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-10/session/cellar
https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=3f7f07f9-31be-4620-88b4-00dd130b8582
note that chat is now Zulip:
https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar
but is accessible via meetecho interface.
Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking
Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at:
https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-10-cellar
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Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
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Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.
2023 virtual interim meeting dates
- When approved, our 2023 dates will be listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/
Agenda Items
Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
Roll call
Attendees
* Spencer Dawkins
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Regrets
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Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
Agree on proposed 2023 meeting dates
- Sent to mailing list on 2022-11-29
- Two date errors (thank you, Martijn van Beurden, for corrections), but these didn't change the possible conflicts
- Current plan is that we move our March meeting to April 4, cancel our July meeting, move our November meeting to 2023-12-05, and cancel our December meeting
- Steve Lhomme said "looks good to me"
- Any other considerations before we send these to the secretariat?
- (Do we know of any plans for an in-person NTTW in 2023?)
| 4th Tuesday | Month | Does this date make sense for us? | If not, what do we do instead? |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2023-01-24 | JAN | ||
| 2023-02-28 | FEB | ||
| 2023-03-28 | MAR | IETF 116 is 2023-03-25 to 2023-03-31 | Schedule for April 4 instead |
| 2023-04-25 | APR | Easter is 2023-04-09 | |
| 2023-05-23 | MAY | ||
| 2023-06-28 | JUN | ||
| 2023-07-25 | JUL | IETF 117 is 2023-07-22 to 2023-07-28 | cancel |
| 2023-08-22 | AUG | ||
| 2023-09-26 | SEP | ||
| 2023-10-24 | OCT | ||
| 2023-11-28 | NOV | IETF 118 is 2023-11-04 to 2023-11-10, US Thanksgiving is 2023-11-23 | Schedule for Dec 5 instead |
| 2023-12-26 | DEC | Christmas Eve | cancel |
WG status update
- draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-02 posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-codec-10 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-control-02 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-20 was posted 2022-12-05, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-flac-07 was posted 2022-10-23, in ID Exists
- ***draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-14 was posted 2022-10-01,
in AD Evaluation. - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-10 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists
Milestone review:
- MATROSKA - We are waiting for Murray's AD evaluation of this draft.
- FLAC - Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer's Shepherd Write-up of this draft.
- Thanks for posting updates of all of our working group drafts.
- What are we focusing on next, now that Matroska and FLAC are leaving the working group?
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From Steve Lhomme - are we ready for a document that handles EBML errata?
- Submitted errata are here.
- We have 9 reported errata, including 6 technical.
- We have proposed text for all 9 errata.
- Question from Chris Smiley at RFC-Editor: "If you decide to verify EID 7192 (sent in a previous message on 11/01/22), should EID 7193 be combined with it?"
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Debrief on In-person meeting
October 28, 1200UTC, The Hague.
details: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar
https://www.digitalmeetsculture.net/article/no-time-to-wait-conference/
- Is this a good thing to do, if there are future NTTW conferences?
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Matroska issues - Discussion on the call.
- We are waiting for Murray's AD evaluation of this draft.
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
- Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer's Shepherd Write-up of this draft.
FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
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AOB?
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* Next meeting is 2023-01-24, if approved by our AD
Previous Minutes - CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
| Date | Time | Local Times |
|---|---|---|
| 2022-10-28 14:00 Amsterdam | Time Converter | |
| Note | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam |
Administrivia
THIS MEETING is IN PERSON, at No Time To Wait.
Due to scheduling it got chopped down to 30 minutes.
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-m11
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE:
info: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar
https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=69cac44e-ccb6-4fe7-865b-e27bcfcdfc4f
note that chat is now Zulip:
https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar
but is accessible via meetecho interface.
Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking
Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at:
https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-11-cellar
-
Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
-
Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.
2022 virtual interim meeting dates
- Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/
Agenda Items
Intro to IETF
Intro to CELLAR
Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
Roll call
Attendees
* Michael Richardson
* Jérôme Martinez
* Dave Rice
* Steve Lhomme
* Martijn van Beurden
* all of nttw
Regrets
*
Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
- no
WG status update
- draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-flac-04 was posted 2022-08-21, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-14 was posted 2022-10-01,
submitter to iesg for publication - draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists
Milestone review:
- FLAC - did not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for milestone?
** revised document posted... ready for shepherd write up, and AD review
** FLAC was developed in 2001, and we had a document, but a lot of details were missing, and now we a fully detailed document, and you don't have to read source code.
** document became 4x as big, and it has come a long way
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Matroska issues - Discussion of shepherd writeup from Michael on the call.
- document has been handed to AD for AD-writeup
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Matroska Codec issues - IANA Considerations
- ATRAC/1 was added to preserve Sony MiniDisc in their original format
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/681 - Issue about IANA for codecs: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/485
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
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FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
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EBML Errata
* EBML changes/specifications
** 8 errata to add to document!
** Now that Matroska is in the pipe.
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sending via https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_report.php
AOB?
- Next meeting is 2022-12-06.