RFC 1264 Is Obsolete
draft-fenner-obsolete-1264-03

[Ballot comment]
The new text in version 3 added a reference to draft-farrel-rtg-manageability-requirements-01. This draft is expired, and there is no direct continuation going on. Although I fully sympathize with the intention and support turning draft-farrel-rtg-manageability-requirements into a more permanent reference for manageability requirement I belive that at this phase the reference to this document should bebetter dropped.

[Ballot comment]
One side of me says that it good to obsolete a document that was too rigid in practise. However, another side makes me sad that we take a step away from requiring running code. Personally, I believe we should
require running code more often for all IETF produced protocols. Basically, running code should be the norm and we can grant exceptions when sensible. However, this is really an IETF wide issue and this particular document is not the right time & place to have that discussion.

[Ballot comment]
As a random note for other ADs... I was concerned about if there was consensus for this since there seemed to be no WGLC comments but reading the lists - I would say there was very strong consensus for this.

[Ballot discuss]
Although I am in agreement with the decision of obsoleting RFC1264, I perceive two problems with the current draft:

1. The document refers the readers to the newtrk wg as the avenue to discuss further changes in the IETF standards process. As newtrk concluded, we need to replace this reference with something else
2. The document emphasizes the aspects related to operational experience and proved interoperability, but RFC1264 was not only about those. Other requirements were specified in RFC1264, related for example to security or the requirement to develop MIB modules for all routing protocols. Security considerations are covered, but there is no mention to manageability requirements, which I believe should replace nowadays mandating a MIB module. I suggest that at least in Section 3 instead of saying only 'We encourage working groups to put measures in place to improve the quality of their output' we talk also about completness of the specification with requirements and protocol actions corresponding to the security and manageability requirements that were specified in RFC1264.