Transmission of IPv4 Packets over the IP Convergence Sublayer of IEEE 802.16
draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-07
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2012-08-22
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07 | (System) | post-migration administrative database adjustment to the No Objection position for Dan Romascanu |
2012-08-22
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07 | (System) | post-migration administrative database adjustment to the No Objection position for Alexey Melnikov |
2010-06-04
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07 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to No IC from In Progress |
2010-06-04
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07 | (System) | IANA Action state changed to In Progress |
2010-06-04
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07 | Amy Vezza | State Changes to RFC Ed Queue from Approved-announcement sent by Amy Vezza |
2010-06-04
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07 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent |
2010-06-04
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07 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the document |
2010-06-04
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07 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2010-06-04
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07 | Dan Romascanu | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Dan Romascanu has been changed to No Objection from Discuss by Dan Romascanu |
2010-06-02
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07 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-07.txt |
2009-12-04
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07 | (System) | Removed from agenda for telechat - 2009-12-03 |
2009-12-03
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07 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed. Reviewer: Shawn Emery. |
2009-12-03
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07 | Cindy Morgan | State Changes to IESG Evaluation::AD Followup from IESG Evaluation by Cindy Morgan |
2009-12-03
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07 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alexey Melnikov has been changed to No Objection from Discuss by Alexey Melnikov |
2009-12-03
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07 | Lisa Dusseault | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Lisa Dusseault |
2009-12-03
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07 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded by Jari Arkko |
2009-12-03
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07 | Ross Callon | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Ross Callon |
2009-12-03
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07 | Tim Polk | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Tim Polk |
2009-12-03
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07 | Dan Romascanu | [Ballot discuss] David Black performed a quick OPS-DIR review and raised a number of issues which were not answered as far as I know, and … [Ballot discuss] David Black performed a quick OPS-DIR review and raised a number of issues which were not answered as far as I know, and should be clarified before approving this document. (1) MTU size seems problematic. This document strongly recommends (SHOULD) a 1500 byte MTU, but Appendix C observes that a lot of actual equipment uses a 1400 byte MTU. The latter's likely to cause more problems with the former as it's visibly smaller than a typical Ethernet MTU, but it's apparently in "running code". [DR - I would like to understand better the operational implications of the limitations because of the fact that mechanisms defined in Section 4 would not work, and because an IPv4 CS client is not capable of doing ARP probing to find out the link MTU in such cases] (2) It's not at all clear whether link-level broadcast or multicast can be relied upon to work. Section 5.3 and Appendix D are not promising - it looks like the baseline is that IPv4 multicast is point to point up to at least the Access Router and possibly beyond. I'm not sure that this is an actual problem, but the document probably ought to be more explicitly about saying that one ought to have low expectations for useful multicast behavior from a point-to-point link layer technology. (3) Section 5.1 seems to assume that ICMP Router Discovery is in use. Either that needs to be stated as a requirement of this specification, or some other spec needs to be cited as imposing this requirement. The discussion of multicast in router discovery is actually clearer than other parts of the document. |
2009-12-03
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07 | Dan Romascanu | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded by Dan Romascanu |
2009-12-02
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07 | Lars Eggert | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Lars Eggert |
2009-12-02
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07 | Cullen Jennings | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Cullen Jennings |
2009-12-02
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07 | Russ Housley | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Russ Housley |
2009-12-02
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07 | Ron Bonica | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Ron Bonica |
2009-12-02
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07 | Ralph Droms | State Changes to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead by Ralph Droms |
2009-12-02
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07 | (System) | State has been changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call by system |
2009-12-01
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07 | Robert Sparks | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Robert Sparks |
2009-12-01
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07 | Magnus Westerlund | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Magnus Westerlund |
2009-12-01
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07 | Magnus Westerlund | [Ballot comment] Section 4.2: C: CRC Indicator. 1 = CRC is included, 0 = 1 No CRC is included It looks confusing that 0 = … [Ballot comment] Section 4.2: C: CRC Indicator. 1 = CRC is included, 0 = 1 No CRC is included It looks confusing that 0 = 1, I guess the 1 can be removed. |
2009-11-30
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07 | Amanda Baber | IANA comments: As described in the IANA Considerations section, we understand this document to have NO IANA Actions. |
2009-11-28
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07 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot comment] 4.2. Frame Format for IPv4 Packets 0 … [Ballot comment] 4.2. Frame Format for IPv4 Packets 0 1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |H|E| TYPE |R|C|EKS|R|LEN | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | LEN LSB | CID MSB | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | CID LSB | HCS | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Nit: it would be nicer to readers to say that MSB means "Most Significant Byte" and LSB means "Less Significant Byte". |
2009-11-28
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07 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot discuss] This is a DISCUSS DISCUSS and I will clear it during/after the telechat. Appendix C. WiMAX IPCS MTU size WiMAX (Worldwide Interoperability … [Ballot discuss] This is a DISCUSS DISCUSS and I will clear it during/after the telechat. Appendix C. WiMAX IPCS MTU size WiMAX (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access) forum has defined a network architecture[WMF]. Furthermore, WiMAX has specified IPv4 CS support for transmission of IPv4 packets between MS and BS over the IEEE 802.16 link. The WiMAX IPv4 CS and this specification are similar. One significant difference, however, is that the WiMAX Forum [WMF] has specified the IP MTU as 1400 octets [WMF] as opposed to 1500 in this specification. This begs the question: why have 2 similar but incompatible specs? |
2009-11-28
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07 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alexey Melnikov has been changed to Discuss from No Objection by Alexey Melnikov |
2009-11-28
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07 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Alexey Melnikov |
2009-11-28
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07 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot comment] 4.2. Frame Format for IPv4 Packets 0 … [Ballot comment] 4.2. Frame Format for IPv4 Packets 0 1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |H|E| TYPE |R|C|EKS|R|LEN | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | LEN LSB | CID MSB | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | CID LSB | HCS | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Nit: it would be nicer to readers to say that MSB means "Most Significant Byte" and LSB means "Less Significant Byte". |
2009-11-28
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07 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot comment] A few comments all at the level of nits... --- Sections 1 and 5.2 In section 1 This document also discusses ARP … [Ballot comment] A few comments all at the level of nits... --- Sections 1 and 5.2 In section 1 This document also discusses ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and Multicast Address Mapping. Well, section 5.2 contains precisely 2 lnes and two words to say that ARP is not used. --- Section 2 As far as I can see, the terms "Subscriber station (SS)" and "Mobile Node (MN)" are not used in the document at all. --- Section 3 para 1 You have shown "(AR)" twice --- Section 4.3 s/if an MS/If an MS/ --- Appendix D s/advertisemnet/advertisement/ |
2009-11-28
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07 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded by Adrian Farrel |
2009-11-20
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07 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Shawn Emery |
2009-11-20
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07 | Samuel Weiler | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Shawn Emery |
2009-11-18
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07 | Amy Vezza | Last call sent |
2009-11-18
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07 | Amy Vezza | State Changes to In Last Call from Last Call Requested by Amy Vezza |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2009-12-03 by Ralph Droms |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | Last Call was requested by Ralph Droms |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | State Changes to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation by Ralph Droms |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Ralph Droms |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | Ballot has been issued by Ralph Droms |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | Created "Approve" ballot |
2009-11-17
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07 | (System) | Ballot writeup text was added |
2009-11-17
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07 | (System) | Last call text was added |
2009-11-17
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07 | (System) | Ballot approval text was added |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | State Changes to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested by Ralph Droms |
2009-11-17
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07 | Ralph Droms | [Note]: 'Gabriel Montenegro (g_e_montenegro@yahoo.com) is the document shepherd.' added by Ralph Droms |
2009-10-05
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07 | Cindy Morgan | Document Shepherd Write-Up on draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-06: (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally … Document Shepherd Write-Up on draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-06: (1.a) Who is the Document Shepherd for this document? Has the Document Shepherd personally reviewed this version of the document and, in particular, does he or she believe this version is ready for forwarding to the IESG for publication? Gabriel Montenegro. Yes and yes. (1.b) Has the document had adequate review both from key WG members and from key non-WG members? Does the Document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? Proper review including WiMAX NWG (Network Working Group) folks in addition to the IETF. The document's first officially adopted version (draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-00) appeared on May 28, 2007. Note: This is the so-called "IPv4 CS" document ("IPv6 CS" has already been published as RFC5121). More info below. • 1st WG LC feb 25 - mar 10, 2008 • MTU issue of 1500 (versus 1400 in WiMAX). • same as in IPv6 CS, but in IPv6 an RA reliably takes care of this • however, there is no good mechanism in IPv4. • Review from NWG/WiMAX was unfavorable due to this issue and other inaccuracies due to much text that is not actually related directly to "IP-over-foo" business • a revised version elided much needless text and provided a simpler flow. • 14-Jun-09: Addressed feedback with publication of version 06 • 03-Jul-09: 2nd WG LC on version 06 announced from 3 thru 13 Jul 2009 (completed with no further feedback). (1.c) Does the Document Shepherd have concerns that the document needs more review from a particular or broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, someone familiar with AAA, internationalization or XML? No. The document has received more than enough review. The issue is not lack of review but the fact that WiMAX NWG and this document do not say the same thing with respect to the MTU. (1.d) Does the Document Shepherd have any specific concerns or issues with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. Has an IPR disclosure related to this document been filed? If so, please include a reference to the disclosure and summarize the WG discussion and conclusion on this issue. Other 16ng document have been adopted by WiMAX NWG and are referred to by their specs: - draft-ietf-16ng-ip-over-ethernet-over-802-dot-16 (currently in RFC ed queue) - RFC5121 ("IPv6 CS"). However, given that this document deals with the more urgent deployment need to specify IPv4 over 802.16, WiMAX finalized their specification before a proper IETF response was posible (before 16ng). Accordingly, this document is too late for WiMAX to refer to it. Furthermore, there is a disagreement on the MTU size when using IPv4 CS over 802.16. The MTU in this document started out at 1500, was moved back to 1400 and then--due to strong objection within the WG--moved back to 1500. While it is true that WiMAX does not represent all the 802.16 deployments, it is a significant portion of them. It is unfortunate that both organizations could not agree, but after trying for a couple of years it is clear that this is not possible. Accordingly, WiMAX NWG position is not favorable to this document as they have already decided on 1400 MTU which they don’t foresee changing in the near future. Nevertheless, the consensus within the IETF debate is that publishing this document with an MTU of 1500 is important as it is the IETF position. (1.e) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? It represents an IETF consensus, even if it does not have full support from WiMAX. (1.f) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is entered into the ID Tracker.) No appeals threatened. (1.g) Has the Document Shepherd personally verified that the document satisfies all ID nits? (See the Internet-Drafts Checklist and http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. Has the document met all formal review criteria it needs to, such as the MIB Doctor, media type and URI type reviews? One minor nit found: == Outdated reference: A later version (-12) exists of draft-ietf-16ng-ip-over-ethernet-over-802-dot-16-08 This outdated reference to an informative document will be updated when addressing IESG comments. (1.h) Has the document split its references into normative and informative? Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the strategy for their completion? Are there normative references that are downward references, as described in [RFC3967]? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure for them [RFC3967]. Yes. All normative references are final published documents. (1.i) Has the Document Shepherd verified that the document IANA consideration section exists and is consistent with the body of the document? If the document specifies protocol extensions, are reservations requested in appropriate IANA registries? Are the IANA registries clearly identified? If the document creates a new registry, does it define the proposed initial contents of the registry and an allocation procedure for future registrations? Does it suggest a reasonable name for the new registry? See [RFC5226]. If the document describes an Expert Review process has Shepherd conferred with the Responsible Area Director so that the IESG can appoint the needed Expert during the IESG Evaluation? No IANA implications as documented in the IANA section. (1.j) Has the Document Shepherd verified that sections of the document that are written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc., validate correctly in an automated checker? Not applicable. (1.k) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up? Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary IEEE 802.16 is an air interface specification for wireless broadband access. IEEE 802.16 has specified multiple service specific Convergence Sublayers for transmitting upper layer protocols. The packet CS (Packet Convergence Sublayer) is used for the transport of all packet-based protocols such as Internet Protocol (IP) and IEEE 802.3 (Ethernet). The IP-specific part of the Packet CS enables the transport of IPv4 packets directly over the IEEE 802.16 MAC. This document specifies the frame format, the Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) and address assignment procedures for transmitting IPv4 packets over the IP-specific part of the Packet Convergence Sublayer of IEEE 802.16. Working Group Summary The document underwent much heated discussion, particularly on the proper choice of MTU. The document captures consensus within the IETF and includes some information about the source of such opposing views: WiMAX Forum's use of an MTU of 1400 as opposed to 1500 in this document. Such discrepancy is not new, as it is also found in the case of the so-called IPv6 CS (RFC5121). However, in the IPv6 case, the RA MTU option provides an easy solution, whereas no such reliable method exists for IPv4. Other topics received much input and guidance from 802.16 and WiMAX participants. Document Quality This document was produced with the appropriate expertise, as it benefitted from the efforts within the IETF of many participants in IEEE 802.16 and the WiMAX Forum, including formal reviews from relevant experts in those bodies. |
2009-10-05
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07 | Cindy Morgan | Draft Added by Cindy Morgan in state Publication Requested |
2009-10-05
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07 | Cindy Morgan | [Note]: 'Gabriel Montenegro (g_e_montenegro@yahoo.com) is the document shepherd.' added by Cindy Morgan |
2009-06-15
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06 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-06.txt |
2009-06-03
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05 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-05.txt |
2009-05-06
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07 | (System) | Document has expired |
2008-11-02
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04 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-04.txt |
2008-07-14
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03 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-03.txt |
2008-02-25
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02 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-02.txt |
2007-11-19
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01 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-01.txt |
2007-05-29
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00 | (System) | New version available: draft-ietf-16ng-ipv4-over-802-dot-16-ipcs-00.txt |