Minutes IETF102: intarea
minutes-102-intarea-00

IntArea WG Agenda
IETF 102 - Montreal
15:50-17:50        Monday July 16, Afternoon Session II, Laurier

Chairs:
Juan Carlos Zuniga (SIGFOX)
Wassim Haddad (Ericsson)

Note taker: Carlos Bernardos
Jabber: Brian Carpenter

1. Agenda Bashing, WG & Document Status Updates (Chairs)
   10 minutes   o

Administrativia and agenda bashing.

"Privacy considerations for IP broadcast and multicast protocol designers" is
now RFC 8386.

"IP Tunnels in the Internet Architecture" has not been updated. Mark T. is not
in the room.

Feedback from the WG required on thr "Generic UDP encapsulation" document.

David Sinicrope (DS) comments: liaison from Broadband Forum sent, calls for
atention to that liason. Draft upcoming.

Juan Carlos Zuniga (JCZ): Please highlight to the list once the draft is
published, and link it to the liaison letter.

2. Discovering Provisioning Domain Names and Data, Eric Vyncke
   15 minutes
   draft-ietf-intarea-provisioning-domains-02

Eric Vyncke (EV) presents the draft.

No questions.

3. SOCKS v6, Vladimir Oltenau
   10 minutes
   draft-olteanu-intarea-socks-6-02

Vladimir Oltenau (VO) presents remotely.

Updates based on implementation experience.

Erik Kline(EK): very good work, reasonably simple. Warning about UDP support:
you loose protection of encryption layer if you use UDP. Possible deprecation
of deprecation UDP association might make sense. VO: we have not plans of
deprecation. Some text can be added. EK: if you plan move to DTLS for those
packets, this is fine.

Tom (Google): how does this relate to what is being done in the TAPS WG?
VO: happy to see that happen.

Chairs: couple of meetings discussing this draft, want to poll the WG on
interest to adopt it. Very mild hum to support. Chairs encourage the author to
keep working on it, and WG to provide feedback.

4. Hybrid ICN-IPv6, Luca Muscariello
   20 minutes
   draft-muscariello-intarea-hicn-00

Luca Muscariello (LM) presents the slides.

Lorenzo Coletti (LC): response must fit in one packet? (slide "Packet format
L3") LM: Yes.

Juan Carlos Zúñiga (JCZ): If transport is not TCP, why are you marking TCP on
header? LM: to traverse middle-boxes.

Gorry Farhust: (GF): why did you put TAPS in your slides?
LM: the producer socket/endpoint is a buffer that binds an IPv6 prefix.
GF: I think I didn't understand it. Lets see it offline.

XXX: why TDP and not use just UDP?

Hannu Flinkx (HF): how do you resolve the destination point?
LM: don't go through the DNS, the location independent address is already in
the packet when leaves the consumer. The name is the address.

LC: the full name has to fit in 64bits?
LM: the name is 128 bits.

LC: always 1-packet request, 1-packet response. Is there any limit on the size?
LM: MTU size is the limit.

David Black (DB): Does your traffic looks like TCP for a firewall?
LM: yes.

Discussion about security implications of making the traffic appear as TCP when
it is not. Comment from DB: be careful with this.

GF: how to do congestion control?
LM: we're working on this and are planning to present something for next IETF.

EK: echoing concerns about TCP

5. IP Fragmentation Considered Fragile, Ron Bonica
   15 minutes
   draft-bonica-intarea-frag-fragile-02

Ron Bonica (RB) presents the slides.

LC: any recommended practices?
RB: it might be a good idea to include an annex to describe recommended
practices.

Igor: support this.

DB: support the draft also. It would be useful to have a recipe for those that
want to use tunnels, how to do it without relying on fragmentation.

Chairs: ask WG about how it feels on adoption. Quite positive feedback for
adopting. To be confirmed on the mailing list.

6. Limited Domains and Internet Protocols, Brian Carpenter
   10 minutes
   draft-carpenter-limited-domains-01

Brian Carpenter (BC) presrents the slides.

ZZ: Document makes sense.
DB: we have a definition of domain: administrative domain.

LC: do you mean operate instead of interoperate?
BC: no. There are definitely subtleties here definitely.

JCZ: seems to me to work on defining better what you want to tackle. Probably
it'd be best to focus more.

RB: there is a long history to work on this. I think this WG would be as good
as any to do it.

7. Privacy Issues in ID/locator Separation Systems, Erik Nordmark
   15 minutes
   draft-nordmark-id-loc-privacy-00

Erik Nordmark (EN) presents the slides.

JCZ: relates to the work being done at the IEEE (802E). Willing to contribute.

8. IP over Ethernet (IPoE) Session Health Checking, Richard Patterson
   15 minutes
   draft-patterson-intarea-ipoe-health-04

Richard Patterson (RP) presents the slides.

LC: I wonder if the BNG not responding is a bug?

EK: (missed it)

LC: BFD is hard for any reason?
LC: It seems easier to say that we have only way to do things. If you have
many, it might be easier to get consensus on the document, but hard to make it
work. RP: based on communiti feedback I can drop some options.

RP: ask the chairs if they think the document is valuable, and the WG is
appropriate. Chairs: too soon to make an adoption call, but this WG is the
right place.

9. Multiple Access Management Service update to WG, Hannu Flinck
   5 minutes
   draft-kanugovi-intarea-mams-framework

Hannu Flinck (HF) presents the slides, updating the WG about the MAMS work.

No time for questions.