Minutes interim-2018-iesg-15 2018-08-02 14:00
minutes-interim-2018-iesg-15-201808021400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the August 2, 2018 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Amanda Baber (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alice Russo (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Jeff Tantsura (Nuage Networks) / IAB Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat

REGRETS 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison 
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim IAD

OBSERVERS
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Mike Jones
Ted Lemon
Justin Richer
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the July 5, 2018 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the July 5, 2018 Teleconference were approved. 
The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the July 5, 2018 IESG Teleconference 
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-mboned-mtrace-v2-26  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dnssd-hybrid-08  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-tokbind-https-18  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ippm-twamp-yang-13  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mmusic-sdp-simulcast-13  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-stir-rph-06  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-dprive-padding-policy-06  (Experimental)
  o draft-kucherawy-dispatch-zstd-03  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-ippm-2330-ipv6-06  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-uta-smtp-
    tlsrpt [IANA #1113903].
  o Ben Campbell to find designated experts for RFC 7845 [IANA 
    #1114867].

IN PROGRESS:
  o Benjamin Kaduk to find an additional designated expert for the AEAD  
    Parameters registry.
  o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-oauth-
    discovery [IANA #1113497].
  o Adam Roach to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-stir-rhp 
    [IANA #1116309]
  o Martin Vigoureux to find designated experts for  RFC-ietf-trill-
    multi-topology [IANA #1117184] 

NEW:
  o Alissa Cooper to follow up with the editors of the Tao regarding 
    proposed revisions.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items 
  o draft-ietf-oauth-device-flow-12  - IETF stream
    OAuth 2.0 Device Flow for Browserless and Input Constrained Devices
    (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 6
    Token: Eric Rescorla

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Mirja Kuehlewind, and Adam Roach.*

  o draft-ietf-anima-autonomic-control-plane-16  - IETF stream
    An Autonomic Control Plane (ACP) (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 6
    Token: Terry Manderson

Ignas Bagdonas formally recused himself from the discussion. The 
document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points 
raised by Alissa Cooper, Benjamin Kaduk, and Eric Rescorla.*

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-13  - IETF stream
    DNS Stateful Operations (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 6
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Mirja Kuehlewind.*

  o draft-ietf-regext-rdap-object-tag-04  - IETF stream
    Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) Object Tagging (Best
    Current Practice) - 4 of 6
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-ietf-codec-ambisonics-07  - IETF stream
    Ambisonics in an Ogg Opus Container (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 6
    Token: Ben Campbell

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Ben Campbell confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-extra-imap-objectid-08  - IETF stream
    IMAP Extension for object identifiers (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 6
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a 
working group submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items 
  o draft-richer-vectors-of-trust-13  - IETF stream
    Vectors of Trust (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ben Campbell and Alissa Cooper.*

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-v6ops-conditional-ras-06  - IETF stream
    Using Conditional Router Advertisements for Enterprise Multihoming
    (Informational) - 1 of 2
    Token: Warren Kumari

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Warren Kumari confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-tls-tls13-vectors-06  - IETF stream
    Example Handshake Traces for TLS 1.3 (Informational) - 2 of 2
    Token: Benjamin Kaduk

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action 
Announcement once Benjamin Kaduk confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items
  NONE

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items   
  o status-change-change-sender-id-to-historic-00  - IETF stream
    Moving RFC 4405, RFC 4406, RFC 4407 (Sender-ID) to Historic  - 1 of 
    1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The IESG agreed to change the status of RFC 4405, RFC 4406, and RFC 4407 
from Experimental to Historic pending a final check to be completed by 
Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send Document Action 
Announcements.

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-kunze-bagit-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-kunze-bagit
      draft-kunze-bagit-16
      The BagIt File Packaging Format (V1.0) (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 
      1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Alexey Melnikov.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o Registration Protocols Extensions (regext) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Adam Roach)

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group pending a 
final check to be completed by Adam Roach. The Secretariat will send a 
WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues
   6.1 Designated Expert for "Report Types" (section 6.2 of draft-ietf-
       uta-smtp-tlsrpt) (Alexey Melinkov)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Murray Kucherawy 
<superuser@gmail.com> as the designated expert for the "Report Types" 
registry created by RFC-ietf-uta-smtp-tlsrpt [IANA #1113903].

   6.2 Revisions to the Tao (Niels ten Oever)

The management issue was discussed.

Action item: Alissa Cooper to follow up with the editors of the Tao 
regarding proposed revisions.

   6.3 Approve DEs for "Opus Channel Mapping Families" Registry (Ben 
       Campbell)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Tim Terriberry 
<tterriberry@mozilla.com> and Ralph Giles <giles@thaumas.net> as the 
designated experts for RFC 7845 [IANA #1114867].

   6.4 [IANA #1113779] renewing early allocations for draft-ietf-pce-
       segment-routing (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved renewing the early 
allocations for draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing.

   6.5 [IANA #1116309] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-stir-rph (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-stir-rph was assigned to Adam Roach prior to the 
start of the teleconference. 

   6.6 [IANA #1117184] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-trill-multi-
       topology (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-trill-multi-topology was assigned to Martin 
Vigoureux prior to the start of the teleconference.

   6.7 Expediting TLS 1.3-related work (Benjamin Kaduk)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG decided to not request 
expedited processing for draft-ietf-tls-tls13-vectors from the RFC 
Production Center.

   6.8 promote Murray Kucherawy to be another primary expert for the 
       Media Type registry (Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved promoting Murray 
Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> as an additional primary expert for the 
Media Types registry, along with Ned Freed.

   6.9 Appointing designated experts for the IANA OAuth Authorization 
       Server Metadata registry (Eric Rescorla)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Michael Jones 
<Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>, Nat Sakimura <nat@sakimura.org>, and               
John Bradley <ve7jtb@gmail.com> as the designated experts for the IANA 
OAuth Authorization Server Metadata registry.

   6.10 IANA Designated Expert for "STARTTLS Validation Result 
       Types" (Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Alexander Brotman 
<Alexander_Brotman@comcast.com>, Daniel Margolis <dmargolis@google.com>, 
and Viktor Dukhovni <ietf-dane@dukhovni.org> as Designated Experts for 
the "STARTTLS Validation Result Types" registry created by RFC-ietf-
uta-smtp-tlsrpt.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 10 July 2018 (Russ Housley)

8.1. Datatracker Projects
   - The merge plan was recently updated.
     -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
   - The email for people to give consent for information in the
     datatracker did not go out on 25 June 2018; this will happen
     after the Montreal meeting and before the end of July 2018.
     The list of email addresses is over 15,000.  Of course, most of
     them are very old, so they will bounce.  The email will include
     a link to their datatracker account page.

8.2. Community & Other Projects
   - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MonArch email archives.
     This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
     copy of the archives in maildir format.  However, the community
     clearly still likes the speed offered by MonArch.  Cloudflare is
     now enabled for the mailarchive.ietf.org domain name, which will
     help with latency.  The following steps from the June 2018 report
     are still in progress, and they should be done before the IETF
     meeting in Montreal:
       2) Change the name of the setting from "legacy" to "static";
       3) Deploy on the production servers; and
       4) Send note to the community.

8.3. RFC Services Projects
   - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
     -- IDnits
     -- Publication Formatter
     -- Text Submission
     -- RFClint
     -- SVGcheck
     -- XMLdiff
   - RFClint, SVGcheck, and XMLdiff are being tested by the RFC Series
     Editor and the RFC Production Center.  Bugs are being resolved
     promptly.
   - The first drop on the text formatter using the v3 schema should
     take place before the end of July.  The code for other formats
     should follow in September and October.

8.4. Server Infrastructure
   - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
     in June.  We received very positive feedback from the community.
   - There is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC, but
     the ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our
     mail lists.  This is necessary for testing.  Henrik will ask the
     ARC developers to add the needed configuration capability.

8.5. Other Business
   - The web pages for the Tools Team are being updated.
     -- https://www.ietf.org/about/grpups/tools
        --- Draft provided to IETF Chair, one round of comments were
            resolved, waiting for approval or more comments.
     -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tools/about/
        --- Work will begin when the first web page is sorted.
   - The Tools Team will write down guidance about when to make
     updates to IETF servers and when to avoid doing so.  For example:
     -- No updates to datatracker on the Wednesday or Thursday of
        the IESG formal telechat.
     -- No updates to datatracker a few days prior to I-D cut-off date
        for an IETF meeting.
     -- No updates to any major server software the week before or
        during the IETF meeting.

8.6. Parking Lot
   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication.
     -- Maybe this can get some attention when the six RFC Format tools
        are posted in an open source repository.

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for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.