2012-10-29: Minutes of the IETF/IEEE 802 Coordination Meeting
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IAB, IESG and IEEE 802 Executive Committee
Minutes of the 29 October 2012 Virtual Meeting

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Ross Callon, IAB 
Spencer Dawkins, IAB
Subir Das, 802.21 Chair
Ralph Droms, IESG 
Russ Housley, IETF Chair
Tony Jeffree, 802.1 Chair
Bruce Kraemer, IEEE 802.11 Chair
Roger Marks, 802.16 Chair 
Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat
Paul Nikolich, 802 Chair
Glenn Parsons, 802.1 vice chair, RAC chair, IEEE-SA BOG
Dan Romascanu, IETF/IEEE-SA Liaison
Pete Resnick, IESG
Jon Rosdahl, 802 Executive Secretary, 802.11 Vice Chair
Dorothy Stanley, 802.11 Liaison to IETF
Michael Johas Teener, IEEE 802.1 Audio/Video Bridging Task Group Chair
Pat Thaler, 802 Vice-Chair 
Sean Turner, IESG 

REGRETS
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Bernard Aboba, IAB Chair 
Benoit Claise, IESG
Adrian Farrel, IESG 
Howard Frazier, 802.3 MIB Task Group Chair 
Eric Gray, IETF Liaison Manager to IEEE 802.1 

MINUTES
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1. Roll Call, Agenda Bashing, Minutes Approval

Cindy Morgan called out the roll (see above).

The minutes of the 5 September 2012 meeting were approved.

2. Review of Other Action Items from Previous Meetings 

DONE

- Spencer Dawkins, Eric Gray, Dan Romascanu, Dorothy Stanley and Pat 
  Thaler agreed to work on an update to RFC 4441.

- The IEEE 802 agreed to review and update the people they currently 
  have subscribed to the new-work mailing list, and to send PARs to new-
  work.

- The IESG agreed to draft an IESG Statement regarding Ethertype 
  Requests. 

- Spencer Dawkins to create a new mail list for IEEE and IETF general 
  coordination discussion.

- Dan Romascanu to initiate a Doodle poll for the date of the next 
  telechat. 

IN PROGRESS

- John D'Ambrosia will add a page to the IEEE 802 website listing their 
  current liaison relationships.

- The IEEE 802 will look at removing mailing list restrictions that 
  prevent IETF participants from contributing to IEEE 802 work.

DELETED

- The IAB and IESG will suggest a process for providing feedback to the 
  IEEE RAC on Virtualization and OUI Tiers
  * This will be tracked as Item 5 in the "Potential Areas for IETF/
    IEEE802 Coordination" document.

3. RFC 4441bis - status report 

Spencer Dawkins reported that the team working on the revision to RFC 
4441 has put together a mailing list and started having weekly 
conference calls.  The team has put together an outline and a -00 draft, 
and is the process of filling in the text to describe how IEEE 802 
works.  A -01 draft is expected to be posted early during the week of 
IETF 85.

4. Areas of shared interest between the IETF and IEEE 802.  

For further details, please see "Potential Areas for IETF/IEEE802 
Coordination," 
<http://www.ietf.org/iesg/ieee/20121029/coordination.txt>.

  1. IETF TRILL Fine-grained labeling and IEEE 802.1 tags

Ralph Droms reported that a new TRILL draft on fine-grained labeling has 
been posted which he believes addresses the technical concerns raised by 
IEEE 802.1.  IEEE 802.1 will review the draft [draft-ietf-trill-fine-
labeling] and provide comments to the TRILL Working Group.

  2. IETF BFD and IEE 802.1AX

Adrian Farrel provided an update on this item (included in "Potential 
Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination") via email prior to the meeting.  
Adrian expects that the BFD Working Group will adopt a draft to work on 
BFD for LAGs soon soon.

  3. IETF NVO3 and IEEE 802.1 DCB

Adrian Farrel provided an update on this item (included in "Potential 
Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination") via email prior to the meeting. 
Adrian reported that the NVO3 Working Group continues to work on 
architecture and requirements.

  4. IETF awareness of IEEE 802.1Q-2011

Pat Thaler agreed to check if IEEE 802.1 is interested in delivering a 
tutorial on 802.1Q at IETF 86 in Orlando (March 2013).  

  5. Effect of virtualization on IEEE 802 architecture

Ross Callon noted that he was unclear what information the IEEE RAC was 
looking for from the IETF.  Ross agreed to work with Glenn Parsons to 
arrange a conference call on OUI tier restructuring sometime in the next 
3-4 weeks.

Dan Romascanu suggested that it might be helpful for IETF participants 
to learn more about the current status of IEEE 802 work on MAC addresses 
and virtualization.  Russ Housley and Ross Callon agreed to arrange for 
a presentation on the topic to be delivered by the IEEE at the IETF 86 
plenary in Orlando in March 2013.

  6. IETF EMU and IEEE 802.1X, 802.11 and 802.16 security based on EAP

Dan Romascanu reported that this work item has been closed.

  7. IETF Ethernet MIB, ADSL MIB and IEEE 802.3 

Benoit Claise provided an update on this item (included in "Potential 
Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination") via email prior to the meeting.  
The OPSAWG Working Group was rechartered in October 2012 to include work 
on the relevant documents.

  8. IETF 6LOWPAN and IEEE 802.15

Ralph Droms reported that Tom Herbst has volunteered to act as the IEEE 
802.15 L2R IG liaison to the IETF. Ralph will stay in touch with Tom to 
monitor possible interactions with the IETF.

  9. IETF PAWS WG and IEEE 802.1, 802.11, 802.15, 802.16, 802.22

Dan Romascanu reported that he has exchanged email with Gabor Bajko to 
try to determine which IEEE 802 working groups need to coordinate with 
the PAWS Working Group.  Dan reported that 802.15 and 802.16 will be 
removed from the list.

  10. IETF IPPM and IEEE 802.16 Metrology Study Group

Roger Marks asked if the IPPM Working Group had sent a response to the 
liaison [https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1195/] from IEEE 802.16.  
Dan Romascanu reported that he had an email from one of the IPPM chairs 
stating that he did not think further action was necessary.  Dan agreed 
to work with the IPPM chairs to send a response to the liaison.

  11. IETF Mobile IP and IEEE 802.16 HetNet Study Group

Roger Marks reported that he is working to move this forward and expects 
to have more to report after the IEEE 802 plenary in November 2012.

  12. IETF HOKEY and IEEE 802.21

Subir Das reported that this work item can be closed; the HOKEY Working 
Group concluded in August 2012.

  13. IETF MIF and IEEE 802.21

Subir Das reported that there is a joint draft from the MIF Working 
Group and IEEE 802.21 that will be presented at the MIF Working Group 
session at IETF 85.

  14. IETF IPFIX Information Elements for Data Link monitoring

Benoit Claise provided an update on this item (included in "Potential 
Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination") via email prior to the meeting.  
The IPFIX Working Group started a Working Group Last Call on the 
document that will end just after IETF 85, on 11 November 2012.

  15. IETF RADIUS attributes for IEEE 802 networks

Benoit Claise provided an update on this item (included in "Potential 
Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination") via email prior to the meeting.  A 
new version of the draft was posted on 21 October 2012.  A call for 
review has been sent to IEEE 802.1 and IEEE 802.11.  A Working Group 
Last Call will be sent out after the IETF 85.

  16. IEEE802.1Q SRP (and Gen2 updates) and RSVP/SIP

Michael Johas Teener agreed to provide a description for this item in 
the "Potential Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination" document.  

  17. IEEE 802.1AS/1588 and NTP

Michael Johas Teener agreed to provide a description for this item in 
the "Potential Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination" document.  Ralph 
Droms suggested that he coordinate with Brian Haberman, who is the Area 
Director for the NTP and TICTOC Working Groups.

  18. 802.1AS/1588, 802.1Q time aware shaper(s) and RTP

Michael Johas Teener agreed to provide a description for this item in 
the "Potential Areas for IETF/IEEE802 Coordination" document.

  19. Common OAM proposal

Ralph Droms reported that a design to use 802.1 OAM in TRILL was 
presented and discussed at the 802.1 interim meeting in Santa Cruz.  The 
discussion at the interim meeting had some contentious moments.  Several 
interested parties from both IEEE and IETF got together for a 
teleconference to discuss the situation.  The group concluded that the 
use of 802.1 OAM in TRILL may be possible, but there are technical 
challenges because the IEEE 802.1 OAM model assumes that Bridge ports 
are addressable and TRILL Nicknames identify the Rbridge, not the 
Rbridge port.  How to solve this (and potentially other) technical 
challenge depends on the requirements and model for TRILL OAM.  The 
TRILL Working Group will first publish a requirements document and a 
framework document as background for developing a specific 802.1-based 
OAM for TRILL.

Pat Thaler agreed to be an expert reviewer for the requirements document 
when it is sent to the IESG.

5. Action Items recap

New action items 2012-10-29:

- Russ Housley and Ross Callon to arrange for presentation on MAC 
  addresses and virtualization to be delivered by the IEEE at the IETF 
  plenary in Orlando (March 2013).

- Ross Callon and Glenn Parsons to arrange a conference call on OUI tier 
  restructuring sometime in the next 3-4 weeks (end of November 2012).

- IEEE 802.1 to review IETF TRILL draft on fine-grained labeling 
  [draft-ietf-trill-fine-labeling] and provide comments.

- Pat Thaler to see if IEEE 802.1 wants to deliver a tutorial on 802.1Q 
  at IETF 86 in Orlando (March 2013).  (If yes, Russ Housley to work 
  with IETF EDU team to make it happen.)

- Michael Johas Teener to fill in descriptions for "Potential Areas for 
  IETF/IEEE802 Coordination" items 16, 17 and 18.

6. Next virtual meeting possible dates 

Dan Romascanu agreed to initiate a Doodle poll for the date of the next 
teleconference, to be held during the second or third week of December. 

7. Leadership Meeting in Orlando

The group agreed that the next face-to-face meeting will be held on 
Saturday, 16 March 2013 (8:00 AM - 5:00 PM) in Orlando.