2020-02-25: Minutes
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Minutes of the  2020-02-25 IETF-IEEE 802 Coordination Teleconference

1. Welcome, roll call, agenda bashing

Present:

Alvaro Retana
Cindy Morgan
Bob Heile
Deborah Brungard
Donald Eastlake
Dorothy Stanley
Erik Nordmark
János Farkas
Jon Rosdahl
Juan Carlos Zúñiga
Magnus Westerlund
Martin Duke
Mirja Kühlewind
Pat Kinney
Paul Congdon
Peter Yee
Robert Wilton
Roman Danyliw
Russ Housley
Scott Mansfield
Ted Hardie


2. Action item updates

  - In Progress:

    o Bob Heile to send a short description of 802's LPA project with 
      pointers to Russ Housley for inclusion in the coordination list.
      <http://www.ieee802.org/15/pub/TG4w.html>
      (Added 2018-06-28)

    o Paul Nikolich to ping Bob Heile to send a short description of 
      802's LPA project to Russ Housley for inclusion in the 
      coordination list.
      <http://www.ieee802.org/15/pub/TG4w.html>
      (Added 2019-10-16)

    o Dorothy Stanley to ask Bob Heile for a status update on 
      802.15.12.
      (Added 2019-06-18)

    o Paul Nikolich to ping Bob Heile for a status update on 802.15.12.
      (Added 2019-10-16)

    o Dorothy Stanley to find out when 802E will go to sponsor ballot.
      (Added 2019-10-16)


3. IETF New Work summary

  - Applications and Real-Time

    o Adaptive DNS Discovery (ADD), chartered 2020-02-21

      This new WG will focus on how to adapt things to send DNS messages 
      over encrypted transports.

    o Realtime Internet Peering for Telephony (RIPT)

      This BOF will focus on real-time peering for SIP.

    o Web Transport (WEBTRANS), WG chartering in progress

      This proposed WG will define new client-server protocols or 
      protocol extensions in order to support the development of the 
      WebTransport API.

    o Web Packaging (WPACK), WG chartering in progress

      This proposed WG will develop a specification for a web packaging 
      format that efficiently bundles multiple HTTP representations. 

  - Internet

    o Drone Remote ID Protocol (DRIP), chartered 2020-02-21

      This new WG will focus on identification of unmanned aircraft for 
      Civil Aviation Authorities. This may be of interest to 802.

    o Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC Encryption (MASQUE)

      This BOF will focus on using QUIC as the protocol for tunneling 
      the types of traffic where proxying transport protocol proxying is
      beneficial.

  - Security

    o Privacy Pass (privacypass)

      This BOF will focus on developing and standardizing the Privacy 
      Pass protocol as a performant mechanism for providing privacy-
      preserving attestation of a previous successful authorization 
      between a human and a server.

    o Transactional Authorization (TXAUTH)

      This BOF will focus on developing a fine-grained delegation 
      protocol for authorization, identity, and API access, expanding on 
      use cases from OAuth and OpenID Connect.

  - IAB

    o Internet Thread Model (model-t)

      This new IAB Program provides an open venue for analysis of the 
      Internet threat model and environment and has as a goal to produce 
      a potential update that defines an Internet threat model that 
      better matches today’s reality.


4. 802 New Work summary

  - 802.1ASdm Amendment: Hot Standby, PAR and CSD

    This PAR amendment adds hot standby to the standard that specifies 
    the protocol, procedures, and managed objects used to ensure that 
    the synchronization requirements are met for time-sensitive 
    applications, such as audio, video, and time-sensitive control, 
    across networks

  - 802.1CQ Amendment: Multicast and Local Address Assignment, PAR 
    Extension and CSD

    This PAR extension requests to add an additional two years to the 
    existing PAR for Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: 
    Multicast and Local Address Assignment. 

  - 802.3cy Amendment: Greater than 10 Gb/s Automotive Ethernet 
    Electrical PHYs, PAR and CSD

    This PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate 
    modifications of IEEE Std 802.3 to add greater than 10 Gb/s 
    electrical Physical Layer specifications for symmetrical and 
    asymmetrical operation and management parameters for media and 
    operating conditions for applications in the automotive environment.

  - 802.3cz Amendment: Multi-Gigabit Automotive Optical PHYs, PAR and 
    CSD

    This PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate 
    modifications of IEEE Std 802.3 to add Physical Layer specifications 
    and management parameters for multi-gigabit optical Ethernet for 
    application in the automotive environment.

  - 802.3da Amendment: 10Mb/s Single Pair Ethernet Multidrop 
    Enhancements, PAR and CSD

    This PAR amendment specifies additions and modifications of the 
    Physical Layer (including reconciliation sublayers), management 
    parameters, Ethernet support for time synchronization protocols, and
    optional power delivery to enhance 10Mb/s multidrop single balanced 
    pair networks

  - 802.3db Amendment: 100 Gb/s Wavelength Short Reach PHYs, PAR and CSD

    This PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate 
    modifications of IEEE Std 802.3 and adds Physical Layer 
    specifications and management parameters for 100 Gb/s, 200 Gb/s, and 
    400 Gb/s Ethernet optical interfaces for server attachment and other 
    intra-data center applications using 100 Gb/s signaling over optical 
    fiber.

  - 802.15.7a - Amendment - Defining High Data Rate Optical Camera   - 
    Communications (OCC), PAR and CSD

    This PAR amendment defines a high-rate Optical Camera Communications 
    (OCC) Physical Layer (PHY) using light wavelengths from 10000 nm to 
    190 nm in optically transparent media.

  - Other work

    Scott Mansfield pointed to work on 802f - Standard for Local and 
    Metropolitan Area Networks: Overview and Architecture Amendment: 
    YANG Data Model for EtherTypes 
    <https://standards.ieee.org/project/802f.html> and noted that it 
    should be tracked on the list of current coordination items as part 
    of Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802.


5. Review current coordination items

  - Item 5. Enabling use of Local Addresses for virtualization and IoT 

    Russ Housley reported that draft-ietf-dhc-mac-assign has completed 
    WG Last Call and should go to IETF Last Call soon.

    Paul Congdon reported that the PAR for IEEE 802.1CQ has just been 
    renewed.

  - Item 21. 6tisch

    Russ Housley reported that draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture is 
    currently in the RFC Editor Queue, blocked on references to other  
    documents that are waiting to be published.

  - Item 24. Coordination between the IETF and IEEE 802 on Pervasive 
    Monitoring

    János Farkas reported that comment resolution is underway for the 
    sponsor ballot on IEEE 802E/D1.6.

  - Item 25. Layer 2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic

    Deborah Brungard reported that draft-ietf-detnet-data-plane-
    framework is currently out for expert review to sort out the 
    alignment.

  - Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802

    Russ Housley will add the information about the IEEE 802f PAR to 
    this item.

    János Farkas noted that IEEE did not leverage the opportunity to add 
    YANG during the 802.1AX revision project, so a new project would 
    need to be started to do work there.

  - Item 30. Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS)

    draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb was published as RFC 8691 in 
    December 2019. This coordination item will be closed.

  - Item 31. LPWAN

    Bob Heile reported that 802.15.4w is done and currently in the 
    RevComm queue and is expected to be completed by July 2020. This 
    item can be closed once that is published.

  - Item 32. Source Address Validation for Wireless LAN

    Russ Housley reported that 802.11 was asked to review draft-
    ietf-6lo-ap-nd-12. Dorothy Stanley replied there were no comments. 
    This item can be closed once draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd is published as an 
    RFC.

  - Item 33. Capability Discovery

    János Farkas reported that the PAR for 802.ABdh was approved but 
    does not have an editor yet. Paul Congdon noted that there was an 
    email from IEEE-SA calling for participation. Russ Housley will 
    forward that on to the relevant IETF groups.

    Alvaro Retana suggested adding draft-congdon-lsvr-lldp-tlvs and 
    draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl-signing to the list of relevant documents for 
    this item.

  - New items

    János Farkas suggested adding an item to track the work in the 
    Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) WG. The group agreed that 
    there is enough common interest that RAW should be added.

6. Assess need for breakfast meeting during the 2020 March IETF meeting 
   (Vancouver 21-27 March)

  The group agreed that it does not need to meet during IETF 107 in 
  Vancouver. 

7. Face-to-Face Meeting in November

  The group discussed holding a face-to-face meeting in Bangkok in 
  November 2020, since IEEE 802 and IETF will meet there during 
  consecutive weeks. 

  János Farkas noted that DetNet and TSN are already planning a joint 
  workshop hosted by the IETF on the Saturday between the two meetings.

  Russ Housley asked whether the leadership should have a face-to-face 
  meeting as well, noting that the timing of the DetNet/TSN Workshop on 
  Saturday and the IESG/IAB meetings on Sunday makes timing difficult. 
  Breakfast and/or dinner meetings were suggested instead; the group 
  agreed to continue thinking about this.

8. Adjourn