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Compact Denial of Existence in DNSSEC
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2024-12-09
05 Geoff Huston Request for Last Call review by DNSDIR is assigned to Patrick Mevzek
2024-12-09
05 Cindy Morgan IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed
2024-12-09
05 Cindy Morgan
The following Last Call announcement was sent out (ends 2024-12-23):

From: The IESG
To: IETF-Announce
CC: dnsop-chairs@ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org, draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence@ietf.org, suzworldwide@gmail.com, warren@kumari.net …
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From: The IESG
To: IETF-Announce
CC: dnsop-chairs@ietf.org, dnsop@ietf.org, draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence@ietf.org, suzworldwide@gmail.com, warren@kumari.net
Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org
Sender:
Subject: Last Call:  (Compact Denial of Existence in DNSSEC) to Proposed Standard


The IESG has received a request from the Domain Name System Operations WG
(dnsop) to consider the following document: - 'Compact Denial of Existence in
DNSSEC'
  as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2024-12-23. Exceptionally, comments may
be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning
of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.

Abstract


  This document describes a technique to generate a signed DNS response
  on demand for a non-existent name by claiming that the name exists
  but doesn't have any data for the queried record type.  Such answers
  require only one minimal NSEC record, allow online signing servers to
  minimize signing operations and response sizes, and prevent zone
  content disclosure.

  This document updates RFC 4034 and 4035.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence/


The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/6089/
  https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/6090/



The document contains these normative downward references.
See RFC 3967 for additional information:
    rfc7129: Authenticated Denial of Existence in the DNS (Informational - Independent Submission stream)



2024-12-09
05 Cindy Morgan IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested
2024-12-09
05 Warren Kumari Last call was requested
2024-12-09
05 Warren Kumari Last call announcement was generated
2024-12-09
05 Warren Kumari Ballot approval text was generated
2024-12-09
05 Warren Kumari IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from AD Evaluation
2024-12-09
05 Warren Kumari Ballot writeup was changed
2024-12-09
05 Warren Kumari IESG state changed to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested
2024-12-06
05 Suzanne Woolf
# Document Shepherd Write-Up for Group Documents


Note that some numbered items contain multiple related questions; please be sure
to answer all of them.

## …
# Document Shepherd Write-Up for Group Documents


Note that some numbered items contain multiple related questions; please be sure
to answer all of them.

## Document History

1. Does the working group (WG) consensus represent the strong concurrence of a
  few individuals, with others being silent, or did it reach broad agreement?

This draft has broad support in the WG. It optimizes for a specific but common situation in the use of DNSSEC, and has clearly defined benefits (reduced answer sizes and reduced cryptographic overhead).

2. Was there controversy about particular points, or were there decisions where
  the consensus was particularly rough?

The major concern people have had about this document is that it offers yet another tweak to DNS; but this one is acceptable because it’s based on clear specification, is already in production use in the DNS, and shows clear benefits.

3. Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If
  so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the
  responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this
  questionnaire is publicly available.)

No

4. For protocol documents, are there existing implementations of the contents of
  the document? Have a significant number of potential implementers indicated
  plans to implement? Are any existing implementations reported somewhere,
  either in the document itself (as [RFC 7942][3] recommends) or elsewhere
  (where)?

Yes. There is an implementation section that discusses current or planned use of this technology by several large-scale DNS providers.

## Additional Reviews

5. Do the contents of this document closely interact with technologies in other
  IETF working groups or external organizations, and would it therefore benefit
  from their review? Have those reviews occurred? If yes, describe which
  reviews took place.

Not specifically applicable.

6. Describe how the document meets any required formal expert review criteria,
  such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews.

N/A

7. If the document contains a YANG module, has the final version of the module
  been checked with any of the [recommended validation tools][4] for syntax and
  formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings, what is
  the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the YANG module
  comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) as specified
  in [RFC 8342][5]?

N/A

8. Describe reviews and automated checks performed to validate sections of the
  final version of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code,
  BNF rules, MIB definitions, CBOR's CDDL, etc.

N/A

## Document Shepherd Checks

9. Based on the shepherd's review of the document, is it their opinion that this
  document is needed, clearly written, complete, correctly designed, and ready
  to be handed off to the responsible Area Director?

Yes.

10. Several IETF Areas have assembled [lists of common issues that their
    reviewers encounter][6]. For which areas have such issues been identified
    and addressed? For which does this still need to happen in subsequent
    Reviews?

This document does not have any of the issues that typically come up in DNSOP or OPS drafts, and the WG is pretty good at picking up on places where a draft is overly complex or makes inappropriate assumptions.

11. What type of RFC publication is being requested on the IETF stream ([Best
    Current Practice][12], [Proposed Standard, Internet Standard][13],
    [Informational, Experimental or Historic][14])? Why is this the proper type
    of RFC? Do all Datatracker state attributes correctly reflect this intent?

Requested status is Proposed Standard, which is needed because it updates DNSSEC base documents (4034 and 4035).

12. Have reasonable efforts been made to remind all authors of the intellectual
    property rights (IPR) disclosure obligations described in [BCP 79][7]? To
    the best of your knowledge, have all required disclosures been filed? If
    not, explain why. If yes, summarize any relevant discussion, including links
    to publicly-available messages when applicable.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?draft=draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial&rfc=&doctitle=&group=&holder=&iprtitle=&patent=&submit=draft shows 2 disclosures, both from Cloudflare, which include licensing terms and appear to comply with RFC 8179.

13. Has each author, editor, and contributor shown their willingness to be
    listed as such? If the total number of authors and editors on the front page
    is greater than five, please provide a justification.

Yes.

14. Document any remaining I-D nits in this document. Simply running the [idnits
    tool][8] is not enough; please review the ["Content Guidelines" on
    authors.ietf.org][15]. (Also note that the current idnits tool generates
    some incorrect warnings; a rewrite is underway.)

There are a few warnings regarding line width and size of artwork, which appear to be spurious. The content complies with the guidelines at https://authors.ietf.org/en/content-guidelines-overview.

15. Should any informative references be normative or vice-versa? See the [IESG
    Statement on Normative and Informative References][16].

References appear to be appropriate.

16. List any normative references that are not freely available to anyone. Did
    the community have sufficient access to review any such normative
    References?

N/A

17. Are there any normative downward references (see [RFC 3967][9] and [BCP
    97
][10]) that are not already listed in the [DOWNREF registry][17]? If so,
    list them.

N/A

18. Are there normative references to documents that are not ready to be
    submitted to the IESG for publication or are otherwise in an unclear state?
    If so, what is the plan for their completion?

N/A

19. Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? If
    so, does the Datatracker metadata correctly reflect this and are those RFCs
    listed on the title page, in the abstract, and discussed in the
    introduction? If not, explain why and point to the part of the document
    where the relationship of this document to these other RFCs is discussed.

This draft updates RFC 4034 and 4035, and says so in the header and the abstract. Section 6 specifies the updates in detail.

20. Describe the document shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section,
    especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document.
    Confirm that all aspects of the document requiring IANA assignments are
    associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm
    that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm
    that each newly created IANA registry specifies its initial contents,
    allocations procedures, and a reasonable name (see [RFC 8126][11]).

IANA Considerations is complete and two of the 3 parameters specified have already been allocated by IANA. No new registries are established.

21. List any new IANA registries that require Designated Expert Review for
    future allocations. Are the instructions to the Designated Expert clear?
    Please include suggestions of designated experts, if appropriate.

N/A

[1]: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/
[2]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4858.html
[3]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7942.html
[4]: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/ops/yang-review-tools
[5]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8342.html
[6]: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/iesg/ExpertTopics
[7]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp79
[8]: https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
[9]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3967.html
[10]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp97
[11]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8126.html
[12]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026.html#section-5
[13]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026.html#section-4.1
[14]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026.html#section-4.2
[15]: https://authors.ietf.org/en/content-guidelines-overview
[16]: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/normative-informative-references/
[17]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/downref/

2024-12-06
05 Suzanne Woolf IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up
2024-12-06
05 Suzanne Woolf IESG state changed to Publication Requested from I-D Exists
2024-12-06
05 (System) Changed action holders to Warren Kumari (IESG state changed)
2024-12-06
05 Suzanne Woolf Responsible AD changed to Warren Kumari
2024-12-06
05 Suzanne Woolf Document is now in IESG state Publication Requested
2024-12-06
05 Suzanne Woolf
# Document Shepherd Write-Up for Group Documents


Note that some numbered items contain multiple related questions; please be sure
to answer all of them.

## …
# Document Shepherd Write-Up for Group Documents


Note that some numbered items contain multiple related questions; please be sure
to answer all of them.

## Document History

1. Does the working group (WG) consensus represent the strong concurrence of a
  few individuals, with others being silent, or did it reach broad agreement?

This draft has broad support in the WG. It optimizes for a specific but common situation in the use of DNSSEC, and has clearly defined benefits (reduced answer sizes and reduced cryptographic overhead).

2. Was there controversy about particular points, or were there decisions where
  the consensus was particularly rough?

The major concern people have had about this document is that it offers yet another tweak to DNS; but this one is acceptable because it’s based on clear specification, is already in production use in the DNS, and shows clear benefits.

3. Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If
  so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the
  responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this
  questionnaire is publicly available.)

No

4. For protocol documents, are there existing implementations of the contents of
  the document? Have a significant number of potential implementers indicated
  plans to implement? Are any existing implementations reported somewhere,
  either in the document itself (as [RFC 7942][3] recommends) or elsewhere
  (where)?

Yes. There is an implementation section that discusses current or planned use of this technology by several large-scale DNS providers.

## Additional Reviews

5. Do the contents of this document closely interact with technologies in other
  IETF working groups or external organizations, and would it therefore benefit
  from their review? Have those reviews occurred? If yes, describe which
  reviews took place.

Not specifically applicable.

6. Describe how the document meets any required formal expert review criteria,
  such as the MIB Doctor, YANG Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews.

N/A

7. If the document contains a YANG module, has the final version of the module
  been checked with any of the [recommended validation tools][4] for syntax and
  formatting validation? If there are any resulting errors or warnings, what is
  the justification for not fixing them at this time? Does the YANG module
  comply with the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA) as specified
  in [RFC 8342][5]?

N/A

8. Describe reviews and automated checks performed to validate sections of the
  final version of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code,
  BNF rules, MIB definitions, CBOR's CDDL, etc.

N/A

## Document Shepherd Checks

9. Based on the shepherd's review of the document, is it their opinion that this
  document is needed, clearly written, complete, correctly designed, and ready
  to be handed off to the responsible Area Director?

Yes.

10. Several IETF Areas have assembled [lists of common issues that their
    reviewers encounter][6]. For which areas have such issues been identified
    and addressed? For which does this still need to happen in subsequent
    Reviews?

This document does not have any of the issues that typically come up in DNSOP or OPS drafts, and the WG is pretty good at picking up on places where a draft is overly complex or makes inappropriate assumptions.

11. What type of RFC publication is being requested on the IETF stream ([Best
    Current Practice][12], [Proposed Standard, Internet Standard][13],
    [Informational, Experimental or Historic][14])? Why is this the proper type
    of RFC? Do all Datatracker state attributes correctly reflect this intent?

Requested status is Proposed Standard, which is needed because it updates DNSSEC base documents (4034 and 4035).

12. Have reasonable efforts been made to remind all authors of the intellectual
    property rights (IPR) disclosure obligations described in [BCP 79][7]? To
    the best of your knowledge, have all required disclosures been filed? If
    not, explain why. If yes, summarize any relevant discussion, including links
    to publicly-available messages when applicable.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?draft=draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial&rfc=&doctitle=&group=&holder=&iprtitle=&patent=&submit=draft shows 2 disclosures, both from Cloudflare, which include licensing terms and appear to comply with RFC 8179.

13. Has each author, editor, and contributor shown their willingness to be
    listed as such? If the total number of authors and editors on the front page
    is greater than five, please provide a justification.

Yes.

14. Document any remaining I-D nits in this document. Simply running the [idnits
    tool][8] is not enough; please review the ["Content Guidelines" on
    authors.ietf.org][15]. (Also note that the current idnits tool generates
    some incorrect warnings; a rewrite is underway.)

There are a few warnings regarding line width and size of artwork, which appear to be spurious. The content complies with the guidelines at https://authors.ietf.org/en/content-guidelines-overview.

15. Should any informative references be normative or vice-versa? See the [IESG
    Statement on Normative and Informative References][16].

References appear to be appropriate.

16. List any normative references that are not freely available to anyone. Did
    the community have sufficient access to review any such normative
    References?

N/A

17. Are there any normative downward references (see [RFC 3967][9] and [BCP
    97
][10]) that are not already listed in the [DOWNREF registry][17]? If so,
    list them.

N/A

18. Are there normative references to documents that are not ready to be
    submitted to the IESG for publication or are otherwise in an unclear state?
    If so, what is the plan for their completion?

N/A

19. Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? If
    so, does the Datatracker metadata correctly reflect this and are those RFCs
    listed on the title page, in the abstract, and discussed in the
    introduction? If not, explain why and point to the part of the document
    where the relationship of this document to these other RFCs is discussed.

This draft updates RFC 4034 and 4035, and says so in the header and the abstract. Section 6 specifies the updates in detail.

20. Describe the document shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section,
    especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document.
    Confirm that all aspects of the document requiring IANA assignments are
    associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm
    that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm
    that each newly created IANA registry specifies its initial contents,
    allocations procedures, and a reasonable name (see [RFC 8126][11]).

IANA Considerations is complete and two of the 3 parameters specified have already been allocated by IANA. No new registries are established.

21. List any new IANA registries that require Designated Expert Review for
    future allocations. Are the instructions to the Designated Expert clear?
    Please include suggestions of designated experts, if appropriate.

N/A

[1]: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/
[2]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4858.html
[3]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc7942.html
[4]: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/ops/yang-review-tools
[5]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8342.html
[6]: https://wiki.ietf.org/group/iesg/ExpertTopics
[7]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp79
[8]: https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
[9]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3967.html
[10]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp97
[11]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8126.html
[12]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026.html#section-5
[13]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026.html#section-4.1
[14]: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2026.html#section-4.2
[15]: https://authors.ietf.org/en/content-guidelines-overview
[16]: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/normative-informative-references/
[17]: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/downref/

2024-10-23
05 Tim Wicinski IETF WG state changed to WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up from In WG Last Call
2024-10-17
05 Shumon Huque New version available: draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-05.txt
2024-10-17
05 Shumon Huque New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Shumon Huque)
2024-10-17
05 Shumon Huque Uploaded new revision
2024-10-02
04 Tim Wicinski IETF WG state changed to In WG Last Call from WG Document
2024-09-27
04 Suzanne Woolf Notification list changed to suzworldwide@gmail.com because the document shepherd was set
2024-09-27
04 Suzanne Woolf Document shepherd changed to Suzanne Woolf
2024-07-30
04 Brian Weis Request for Early review by SECDIR Completed: Has Nits. Reviewer: Brian Weis. Sent review to list.
2024-07-15
04 Tero Kivinen Request for Early review by SECDIR is assigned to Brian Weis
2024-07-06
04 Tim Wicinski Changed document external resources from: None to:

github_repo https://github.com/shuque/id-dnssec-compact-lies
2024-07-06
04 Tim Wicinski Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown
2024-07-06
04 Tim Wicinski Intended Status changed to Proposed Standard from None
2024-07-06
04 Tim Wicinski Requested Early review by SECDIR
2024-07-05
04 Shumon Huque New version available: draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-04.txt
2024-07-05
04 Shumon Huque New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Shumon Huque)
2024-07-05
04 Shumon Huque Uploaded new revision
2024-03-17
03 Benno Overeinder Added to session: IETF-119: dnsop  Mon-0530
2024-03-04
03 Shumon Huque New version available: draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-03.txt
2024-03-04
03 Shumon Huque New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Shumon Huque)
2024-03-04
03 Shumon Huque Uploaded new revision
2024-02-28
02 Shumon Huque New version available: draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-02.txt
2024-02-28
02 Shumon Huque New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Shumon Huque)
2024-02-28
02 Shumon Huque Uploaded new revision
2023-11-29
01 Nicolai Leymann Request for Early review by DNSDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Nicolai Leymann. Sent review to list.
2023-10-25
01 Tim Wicinski Added to session: IETF-118: dnsop  Fri-0830
2023-10-23
01 Shumon Huque New version available: draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-01.txt
2023-10-23
01 Shumon Huque New version accepted (logged-in submitter: Shumon Huque)
2023-10-23
01 Shumon Huque Uploaded new revision
2023-10-12
00 Tero Kivinen Request for Early review by SECDIR is assigned to Richard Barnes
2023-10-10
00 Jim Reid Request for Early review by DNSDIR is assigned to Nicolai Leymann
2023-10-10
00 Tim Wicinski Requested Early review by DNSDIR
2023-10-10
00 Tim Wicinski Requested Early review by SECDIR
2023-07-21
Jenny Bui Posted related IPR disclosure Cloudflare, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence
2023-07-21
Jenny Bui Posted related IPR disclosure Cloudflare, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence
2023-07-05
00 Tim Wicinski Added to session: IETF-117: dnsop  Mon-1630
2023-05-11
00 Benno Overeinder This document now replaces draft-huque-dnsop-compact-lies instead of None
2023-05-11
00 Shumon Huque New version available: draft-ietf-dnsop-compact-denial-of-existence-00.txt
2023-05-11
00 Benno Overeinder WG -00 approved
2023-05-09
00 Shumon Huque Set submitter to "Shumon Huque ", replaces to draft-huque-dnsop-compact-lies and sent approval email to group chairs: dnsop-chairs@ietf.org
2023-05-09
00 Shumon Huque Uploaded new revision