Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links (TRILL): ARP and Neighbor Discovery (ND) Optimization
draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-09
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09 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement sent from Approved-announcement to be sent |
2017-11-12
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09 | Amy Vezza | IESG has approved the document |
2017-11-12
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09 | Amy Vezza | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2017-11-12
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09 | Amy Vezza | Ballot approval text was generated |
2017-11-12
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09 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to Approved-announcement to be sent from IESG Evaluation::AD Followup |
2017-11-12
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09 | Alia Atlas | Removed from agenda for telechat |
2017-11-09
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09 | Eric Rescorla | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Eric Rescorla has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2017-11-08
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09 | Jean Mahoney | Closed request for Telechat review by GENART with state 'Team Will not Review Version' |
2017-10-19
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09 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Telechat review by GENART is assigned to Dale Worley |
2017-10-19
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09 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Telechat review by GENART is assigned to Dale Worley |
2017-10-19
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09 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Telechat review by SECDIR is assigned to Tina Tsou |
2017-10-19
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09 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Telechat review by SECDIR is assigned to Tina Tsou |
2017-10-16
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09 | Alia Atlas | Telechat date has been changed to 2017-11-30 from 2017-07-06 |
2017-10-08
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09 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2017-10-08
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09 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2017-10-08
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09 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-09.txt |
2017-10-08
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09 | (System) | New version approved |
2017-10-08
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09 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Radia Perlman , Linda Dunbar , Mohammed Umair , Donald Eastlake , Li Yizhou |
2017-10-08
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09 | Yizhou Li | Uploaded new revision |
2017-07-13
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08 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR Completed: Ready. Reviewer: Tina Tsou. |
2017-07-13
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08 | Donald Eastlake | Added to session: IETF-99: trill Fri-1150 |
2017-07-06
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08 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2017-07-06
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08 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot comment] - Can you clarify on which device type you need to enable the following option: TRILL already provides an option to … [Ballot comment] - Can you clarify on which device type you need to enable the following option: TRILL already provides an option to disable data-plane learning from the source MAC address of end-station frames on a per port basis (see Section 5.3 of [RFC6325]). - 1) IP address - indicated protocol address that is normally an IPv4 address in ARP or an IPv6 address in ND. "normally"? I've seen the term "Non-zero IP" later on in the draft Below is Mahesh's OPS DIR review I have reviewed this document as part of the Operational directorate’s ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written with the intent of improving the operational aspects of the IETF drafts. Comments that are not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. Document reviewed: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08 Summary: Ready with Nits Document Status: Standard Track General Comments: The abstract of the document says that the draft tries “To reduce the burden on a TRILL campus caused by these multi-destination messages, RBridges MAY implement an "optimized ARP/ND response", as specified herein, when the target's location is known by the ingress RBridge or can be obtained from a directory. This avoids ARP/ND query and answer flooding.” Implementation of this draft will impact the operations of the network. As such careful consideration should be placed on operational and management impact of the draft. The following comments look at the document both from an operational perspective as well as a management perspective. Operational Considerations: Operational considerations include installation and initial setup, migration path, requirements on other protocols, impact on network operations and verification of correct operation. >From an impact on network operations perspective, this draft proposes to reduce the traffic in the network by preventing a network wide broadcast and multicast of messages. As such it should reduce the impact on the network, when operating correctly. In the worst case, that it is not operating or operating incorrectly, these network broadcast and multicast messages will “leak” into the broader network, where they will be treated just as they are in todays network. For this reason, a migration path may not be required, or existing protocols modified to deal with the change. >From a verification of correct operations, it is not clear how one determines that the RBridge is operating correctly beyond observing individual ARP/ND messages. Does it keep track of ARP/ND messages it has intercepted and responded to on the local network, which would have escaped to the broader network? Keeping track of statistics will allow for tracking the operation of what is defined in the draft. Management Considerations: Management considerations include interoperability, fault management, configuration management, accounting, performance and security. >From a configuration management perspective, it is not clear how the configuration of the RBridge is realized. For example, per the draft, RBridge might not verify an IP address if the network manager's policy is to have the network behave, for each Data Label, as if it were a single link and just believe an ARP/ND it receives. If such a configuration is desired, this or an accompanying document needs to define the manageability aspect of RBridge, preferably in the form of a YANG model. >From a accounting perspective, For example, in the draft, RBridge could for generic ARP/ND request seeking the MAC address corresponding to an IP address, if the edge RBridge knows the IP address and corresponding MAC, behavior is as in item (a), otherwise behavior is as in item (b). Behavior for gratuitous ARP and ND Unsolicited Neighbor Advertisements [RFC4861] is given in item (c). And item (d) covers handling of Address Probe ARP Query. Are there specific statistics being maintained for each of these options? Keeping track of individual options allows for capacity management and planning. A run of idnits revealed a few warnings: Miscellaneous warnings: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- == Line 99 has weird spacing: '...enience along...' -- The document date (April 17, 2017) is 79 days in the past. Is this intentional? Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative references to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) == Missing Reference: 'IA-draft' is mentioned on line 390, but not defined == Unused Reference: 'RFC7356' is defined on line 540, but no explicit reference was found in the text == Outdated reference: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms has been published as RFC 8171 Summary: 0 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 4 warnings (==), 1 comment (--). Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed information about the items above. |
2017-07-06
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08 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benoit Claise |
2017-07-05
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08 | Mahesh Jethanandani | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR Completed: Has Nits. Reviewer: Mahesh Jethanandani. Sent review to list. |
2017-07-05
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08 | Eric Rescorla | [Ballot discuss] It's not clear to me how the security properties of this mechanism compare to existing TRILL. The text says: Unless Secure ND … [Ballot discuss] It's not clear to me how the security properties of this mechanism compare to existing TRILL. The text says: Unless Secure ND (SEND [RFC3971]) is used, ARP and ND messages can be easily forged. Therefore the learning of MAC/IP addresses by RBridges from ARP/ND should not be considered as reliable. See Section 4.1 for SEND Considerations. "not considered as reliable" seems suboptimal. You need to cover how this mechanism compares to the non-use of this mechanism. This document seems very sketchy on what you do when you get duplicate IPs. In the case where the former owner replies, a Duplicate Address has been detected. In this case the querying RBridge SHOULD log the duplicate so that the network administrator can take appropriate action. How does logging solve the problem? What do you reply to ARPs with and/or propagate to other nodes? Do you tell the originator of the advertisement you have a duplicate? When a newly connected end-station exchanges messages with a DHCP [RFC2131] server an edge RBridge should snoop them (mainly the DHCPAck message) and store IP/MAC mapping information in its ARP/ND cache and should also send the information out through the TRILL control plane using ESADI. What happens if the attacker sets up a fake DHCP server and pretends to assign addresses to himself? It seems like maybe that's the same as fake ARPs but maybe not. In general, the security considerations need a complete threat analysis per 3552. |
2017-07-05
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08 | Eric Rescorla | [Ballot comment] S 2. plane on the edge RBridges, it should be possible to completely suppress flooding of ARP/ND messages in a TRILL … [Ballot comment] S 2. plane on the edge RBridges, it should be possible to completely suppress flooding of ARP/ND messages in a TRILL Campus, When all end- station MAC addresses are similarly known, it should be possible to suppress unknown unicast flooding by dropping any unknown unicast received at an edge RBridge. Are these "should be possibles" normative? Descriptive? S 4. This is a sequence of steps, so it would be nice to preface them with a list of the steps. It's also odd to have SEND considerations right in the middle here. 4.3 Get Sender's IP/MAC Mapping Information for Non-zero IP Please explain what a non-zero IP is and why it's relevant. This graf also needs an introductory sentence or something before the bullets. S 4.4. It is not essential that all RBridges use the same strategy for which option to select for a particular ARP/ND query. It is up to the implementation. This seems inconsistent with the MUST in arm (b) below, because I can just take some other arm. It's also kind of surprising to be this non-prescriptive. S 8. some other location (MAC/VM Mobility) and gets connected to egde- Nit: edge is mispelled. |
2017-07-05
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08 | Eric Rescorla | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Eric Rescorla |
2017-07-04
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08 | Alexey Melnikov | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alexey Melnikov |
2017-07-04
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08 | Suresh Krishnan | [Ballot comment] Thanks for addressing my DISCUSS points. |
2017-07-04
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08 | Suresh Krishnan | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Suresh Krishnan has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2017-07-03
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08 | Bernie Volz | Closed request for Early review by INTDIR with state 'No Response' |
2017-07-03
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08 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot comment] [Thanks for addressing my DISCUSS.] |
2017-07-03
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08 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alvaro Retana has been changed to No Objection from Discuss |
2017-06-29
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08 | Alia Atlas | Telechat date has been changed to 2017-07-06 from 2017-08-17 |
2017-06-29
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08 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for AD Go-Ahead |
2017-06-29
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08 | Alia Atlas | Telechat date has been changed to 2017-08-17 from 2016-07-07 |
2017-06-29
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08 | Alia Atlas | Ballot has been issued |
2017-06-29
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08 | Alia Atlas | Ballot writeup was changed |
2017-06-29
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08 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for AD Go-Ahead from In Last Call |
2017-06-28
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08 | Dale Worley | Request for Last Call review by GENART Completed: Ready with Nits. Reviewer: Dale Worley. Sent review to list. |
2017-06-26
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08 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from Version Changed - Review Needed |
2017-06-26
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08 | Sabrina Tanamal | (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Services Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08.txt, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We … (Via drafts-lastcall@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: The IANA Services Operator has reviewed draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08.txt, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this document doesn't require any registry actions. While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, we do not object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. Thank you, Sabrina Tanamal IANA Services Specialist PTI |
2017-06-24
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08 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Tina Tsou |
2017-06-24
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08 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Tina Tsou |
2017-06-19
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08 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Mahesh Jethanandani |
2017-06-19
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08 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Mahesh Jethanandani |
2017-06-15
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08 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Dale Worley |
2017-06-15
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08 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Dale Worley |
2017-06-15
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08 | Cindy Morgan | The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization@ietf.org, trill-chairs@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org, skh@ndzh.com, akatlas@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org … The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: IETF-Announce CC: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization@ietf.org, trill-chairs@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org, skh@ndzh.com, akatlas@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (TRILL: ARP/ND Optimization) to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG (trill) to consider the following document: - 'TRILL: ARP/ND Optimization' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2017-06-29. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization/ballot/ The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2896/ |
2017-06-15
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08 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2017-06-15
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08 | Cindy Morgan | Last call announcement was generated |
2017-06-15
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08 | Alia Atlas | Set telechat returning item indication |
2017-06-15
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08 | Alia Atlas | Last call was requested |
2017-06-15
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08 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from Publication Requested |
2017-06-03
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08 | Bernie Volz | Request for Early review by INTDIR is assigned to Ole Troan |
2017-06-03
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08 | Bernie Volz | Request for Early review by INTDIR is assigned to Ole Troan |
2017-05-31
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08 | Bernie Volz | Request for Early review by INTDIR is assigned to Dave Thaler |
2017-05-31
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08 | Bernie Volz | Request for Early review by INTDIR is assigned to Dave Thaler |
2017-05-31
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08 | Susan Hares | Requested Early review by INTDIR |
2017-05-31
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08 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 5/31/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 5/31/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? This draft is part of the TRILL WG directory service work item. The lack of directory services was one of the major challenges deployments of TRILL have encounter in the field. Protocol standards 1) draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms - directory service for TRILL Edge switches (at RFC editors) 2) [RFC7978 - RBridge Channel Header Extension (secure tunnel method allows encapsulation of address information) 3) RFC 7961 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (replaces ARP/ND) 4) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus 5) Smart end nodes - reducing size of end-node table in rbridges by allowing "smart" endnodes to volunteer for ending node learning. 6)draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-04 - encapsulation modification for data centers b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Revision -07 WG LC https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Shepherd's review is contained in this WG LC. Revision -08 WG LC https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07748.html Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html Routing QA 2nd review: Geoff Houston https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-05-rtgdir-early-huston-2016-04-25/ WG LC of version-8 https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07748.html Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: 2 done (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns Minor concerns: resolved. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) Routing QA 2nd review: Geoff Houston: Status: ready with nits: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-05-rtgdir-early-huston-2016-04-25/ 4) IESG review cycle found a problem with the Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07442.html call for WG LC on changes https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Shepherd's indication that not all was fixed https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07646.html final WG LC ((5/2 to 5/9) https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07748.html 3) WG LC comments - After the initial WG LC, the IESG review and resend to the WG, and 2 WG LCs on this document. The final review was a "final check review". No one has indicated any problems with version draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08.txt. The shepherd does not see any additional issues. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. After 4 cycles of review and WG LC, I believe we've final nailed down all the issues. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Suresh and Alvaro should - double check the ARP/ND problems one more time during AD evaluation, then hopefully - it will go quickly. I have sent a request to Suresh and Alvaro to review this document in parallel to AD evaluation. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 4+ years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. IPR filed: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07564.html This filing was before the WG LC. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 4 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
2017-05-31
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08 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up |
2017-05-31
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08 | Susan Hares | IESG state changed to Publication Requested from AD is watching |
2017-05-31
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08 | Susan Hares | Tag Revised I-D Needed - Issue raised by WG cleared. |
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08 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 5/31/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 5/31/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? This draft is part of the TRILL WG directory service work item. The lack of directory services was one of the major challenges deployments of TRILL have encounter in the field. Protocol standards 1) draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms - directory service for TRILL Edge switches (at RFC editors) 2) [RFC7978 - RBridge Channel Header Extension (secure tunnel method allows encapsulation of address information) 3) RFC 7961 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (replaces ARP/ND) 4) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus 5) Smart end nodes - reducing size of end-node table in rbridges by allowing "smart" endnodes to volunteer for ending node learning. 6)draft-ietf-trill-directory-assisted-encap-04 - encapsulation modification for data centers b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Revision -07 WG LC https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Shepherd's review is contained in this WG LC. Revision -08 WG LC https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07748.html Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html Routing QA 2nd review: Geoff Houston https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-05-rtgdir-early-huston-2016-04-25/ WG LC of version-8 https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07748.html Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: 2 done (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns Minor concerns: resolved. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) Routing QA 2nd review: Geoff Houston: Status: ready with nits: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-05-rtgdir-early-huston-2016-04-25/ 4) IESG review cycle found a problem with the Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07442.html call for WG LC on changes https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Shepherd's indication that not all was fixed https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07646.html final WG LC ((5/2 to 5/9) https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07748.html 3) WG LC comments - After the initial WG LC, the IESG review and resend to the WG, and 2 WG LCs on this document. The final review was a "final check review". No one has indicated any problems with version draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08.txt. The shepherd does not see any additional issues. (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. After 4 cycles of review and WG LC, I believe we've final nailed down all the issues. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Suresh and Alvaro should - double check the ARP/ND problems one more time during AD evaluation, then hopefully - it will go quickly. I have sent a request to Suresh and Alvaro to review this document in parallel to AD evaluation. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 4+ years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. IPR filed: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07564.html This filing was before the WG LC. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 4 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
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08 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up from In WG Last Call |
2017-05-02
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08 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to In WG Last Call from WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up |
2017-04-16
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08 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-08.txt |
2017-04-16
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08 | (System) | New version approved |
2017-04-16
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08 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: Radia Perlman , Li Yizhou , Mohammed Umair , trill-chairs@ietf.org, Donald Eastlake , Linda Dunbar |
2017-04-16
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08 | Yizhou Li | Uploaded new revision |
2017-02-05
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07 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 1/13/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 1/13/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? This draft is part of a 4 draft directory service dealing with directory services. The four drafts are: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms () - describes the push/pull (After IETF LC) draft-ietf-trill-channel-tunnel-05 - secure tunnel for directory push ( draft-ietf-trill-ia-appsubtlv-05 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (reduces/replaces need for ARP/ND ) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Revision -07 WG LC https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Shepherd's review is contained in this WG LC. Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html WG LC: Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: No (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) WG LC comments - TBD (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. - TBD additional comments. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Internet Directorate should review for ARP/ND. Ralph Droms knows these concepts. OPS/NM Directorate and SEC-DIR should review. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 3 years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. IPR filed: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07564.html This filing was before the WG LC. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 3 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
2017-01-13
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07 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 1/13/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 1/13/2017 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? This draft is part of a 4 draft directory service dealing with directory services. The four drafts are: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms () - describes the push/pull (After IETF LC) draft-ietf-trill-channel-tunnel-05 - secure tunnel for directory push ( draft-ietf-trill-ia-appsubtlv-05 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (reduces/replaces need for ARP/ND ) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Revision -07 WG LC https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html Shepherd's review is contained in this WG LC. Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html WG LC: Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: No (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) WG LC comments - TBD (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. - TBD additional comments. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Internet Directorate should review for ARP/ND. Ralph Droms knows these concepts. OPS/NM Directorate and SEC-DIR should review. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 3 years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. IPR filed: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07564.html This filing was before the WG LC. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 3 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
2017-01-13
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07 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 8/26/2016 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. =================================== type of … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 8/26/2016 Status: Awaiting further resolution of Alvaro's and Suresh's SEND comments. =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? No, and this draft is part of a 4 draft directory service dealing with directory services. The four drafts are: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms () - describes the push/pull draft-ietf-trill-channel-tunnel-05 - secure tunnel for directory push draft-ietf-trill-ia-appsubtlv-05 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (reduces/replaces need for ARP/ND ) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html WG LC: Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: No (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) WG LC comments - TBD (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. - TBD additional comments. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Internet Directorate should review for ARP/ND. Ralph Droms knows these concepts. OPS/NM Directorate and SEC-DIR should review. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 3 years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. IPR filed: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07564.html This filing was before the WG LC. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 3 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
2017-01-13
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07 | Susan Hares | SEND interactions need to be clearer. |
2017-01-13
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07 | Susan Hares | Tag Revised I-D Needed - Issue raised by WG set. |
2017-01-13
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07 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up from In WG Last Call |
2016-11-15
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07 | Donald Eastlake | See https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07575.html |
2016-11-15
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07 | Donald Eastlake | Tags Revised I-D Needed - Issue raised by IESG, AD Followup cleared. |
2016-11-15
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07 | Donald Eastlake | IETF WG state changed to In WG Last Call from WG Document |
2016-10-21
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07 | (System) | Sub state has been changed to AD Followup from Revised ID Needed |
2016-10-21
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07 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to Version Changed - Review Needed from IANA OK - No Actions Needed |
2016-10-21
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07 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-07.txt |
2016-10-21
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07 | (System) | New version approved |
2016-10-21
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06 | (System) | Request for posting confirmation emailed to previous authors: "Donald Eastlake" , "Li Yizhou" , "Radia Perlman" , trill-chairs@ietf.org, "Linda Dunbar" |
2016-10-21
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06 | Yizhou Li | Uploaded new revision |
2016-10-19
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Jasmine Magallanes | Posted related IPR disclosure: Huawei Technologies Co.,Ltd's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization | |
2016-08-26
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06 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 8/26/2016 Status: Awaiting version 7 to resolve Alavaro's comments. =================================== type of RFC: Proposed … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 8/26/2016 Status: Awaiting version 7 to resolve Alavaro's comments. =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? No, and this draft is part of a 4 draft directory service dealing with directory services. The four drafts are: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms () - describes the push/pull draft-ietf-trill-channel-tunnel-05 - secure tunnel for directory push draft-ietf-trill-ia-appsubtlv-05 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (reduces/replaces need for ARP/ND ) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html WG LC: Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: No (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) WG LC comments - TBD (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. - TBD additional comments. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Internet Directorate should review for ARP/ND. Ralph Droms knows these concepts. OPS/NM Directorate and SEC-DIR should review. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 3 years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 3 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
2016-08-26
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06 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 8/26/2016 Status: Awaiting discussion with Alia (ETA 9/6/2016) =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 8/26/2016 Status: Awaiting discussion with Alia (ETA 9/6/2016) =================================== type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? No, and this draft is part of a 4 draft directory service dealing with directory services. The four drafts are: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms () - describes the push/pull draft-ietf-trill-channel-tunnel-05 - secure tunnel for directory push draft-ietf-trill-ia-appsubtlv-05 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (reduces/replaces need for ARP/ND ) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html WG LC: Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: No (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) WG LC comments - TBD (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. - TBD additional comments. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Internet Directorate should review for ARP/ND. Ralph Droms knows these concepts. OPS/NM Directorate and SEC-DIR should review. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 3 years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 3 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarize the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
2016-08-24
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06 | Alia Atlas | Draft was returned to the WG based upon IESG comments for necessary technical changes. |
2016-08-24
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06 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to AD is watching::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2016-07-14
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06 | Tero Kivinen | Closed request for Last Call review by SECDIR with state 'No Response' |
2016-07-11
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06 | Gunter Van de Velde | Closed request for Last Call review by OPSDIR with state 'No Response' |
2016-07-08
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06 | Pete Resnick | Closed request for Last Call review by GENART with state 'No Response' |
2016-07-07
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06 | Alia Atlas | Please look at the outstanding IESG Discusses. Donald Eastlake, as document shepherd, is engaged in the conversations. We believe that technical changes to the document … Please look at the outstanding IESG Discusses. Donald Eastlake, as document shepherd, is engaged in the conversations. We believe that technical changes to the document are necessary - so it is being returned to the WG |
2016-07-07
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06 | Alia Atlas | Tag Revised I-D Needed - Issue raised by IESG set. Tag Revised I-D Needed cleared. |
2016-07-07
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06 | Alia Atlas | IETF WG state changed to WG Document from Submitted to IESG for Publication |
2016-07-07
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06 | Cindy Morgan | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation::Revised I-D Needed from IESG Evaluation |
2016-07-07
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06 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot discuss] Section 3.2 discusses several options for obtaining an answer to a ND query. The section also mentions SEND, which prevents spoofing of results … [Ballot discuss] Section 3.2 discusses several options for obtaining an answer to a ND query. The section also mentions SEND, which prevents spoofing of results by the bridge itself. I believe it would be useful though to make a clearer recommendation on what to do with regards to the different options on obtaining an answer. Some of them are compatible with SEND, some of them are not. Also, how does one know SEND is being used? Perhaps the document could specify a configurable mode where SEND is assumed to be in use and then you could not use the options that make this problematic. Or, perhaps better, if a node has been observed as using send, then use the correct option for that node. |
2016-07-07
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06 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Jari Arkko |
2016-07-07
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06 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot comment] SEND is kinda nonsense,nobody is really going to use it. |
2016-07-07
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06 | Joel Jaeggli | Ballot comment text updated for Joel Jaeggli |
2016-07-07
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06 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Joel Jaeggli |
2016-07-06
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06 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot discuss] I know this is an optional optimization, as described by the “MAY” in the Introduction. However, some of the other normative language is … [Ballot discuss] I know this is an optional optimization, as described by the “MAY” in the Introduction. However, some of the other normative language is not as strong as it should be to clearly specify the required behavior (if the mechanisms are being used), cause confusion, or is simply out of place. 1. In 3.1 (Get Sender's IP/MAC Mapping Information for Non-zero IP) the text says that the “RBridge MAY use different strategies to do so”. That “MAY” contradicts the “SHOULD” used before it, which directs the RBridge to verify a duplicate address. s/MAY/may 2. Still in 3.1: “…the RBridge SHOULD verify if a duplicate IP address has already been in use…” What are the reasons where the RBridge would not verify this situation? IOW, why is this “SHOULD” not a “MUST”? 3. I’m confused as to whether the APPsub-TLV is required or not. The source of my confusion comes from Section 3.3 (Determine How to Handle the ARP/ND Response) which says that “R2 SHOULD initiate a link state update to inform all the other RBridges of the target's location…The update message can be carried by an IA APPsub-TLV [IA-draft]…” This text seems to say that the APPsub-TLV SHOULD be used to carry the information — but text in Section 2 (IP/MAC Address Mappings) sounds to me as if the use of the APPsub-TLV is optional: “If the RBridge has extracted the sender's IP/MAC address pair from the received data packet (either ARP or ND), it MAY save the information and use the IA APPsub-TLV…” Also, 3.1 and 3.2 both say that an “RBridge MAY use the IA APPsub-TLV”. And finally the Security Considerations section seems to recommend using it… Maybe it’s just me, but please clarify. [BTW, if it is required, then I think that both the IA-draft and DirMech references should be Normative.] 4. In Section 2 (IP/MAC Address Mappings) the “MAY” in the following sentence is out of place since that is already the function of the confidence (as described in draft-ietf-trill-ia-appsubtlv and RFC6325): “A different confidence level MAY also be used to indicate the reliability of the mapping information.” 5. In Section 3.2 (Determine How to Reply to ARP/ND), both options (?) a and b say that the “RBridge MAY take one…”. If the RBridge selected that option, then I think the action is no longer optional. s/MAY/MUST |
2016-07-06
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06 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2016-07-06
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06 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] Looking forward to resolution of others' DISCUSS and COMMENTs. |
2016-07-06
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06 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2016-07-06
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06 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot comment] I agree with Suresh's Discuss. |
2016-07-06
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06 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2016-07-06
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06 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot comment] I agree with Stephen and Suresh. |
2016-07-06
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06 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Kathleen Moriarty |
2016-07-06
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06 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot comment] 3.2, 2nd last para: don't you need to say to never fake SEND responses? saying "prevent local reply" seems unclear to me, and … [Ballot comment] 3.2, 2nd last para: don't you need to say to never fake SEND responses? saying "prevent local reply" seems unclear to me, and a MUST NOT would seem called for. I guess Suresh's discuss covers that though, so just to note I agree with him on that. |
2016-07-06
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06 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2016-07-05
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06 | Suresh Krishnan | [Ballot discuss] * After the ingress RBridge learns the mapping between an IPv6 address and a MAC address how is the liveness being tested/maintained? i.e. … [Ballot discuss] * After the ingress RBridge learns the mapping between an IPv6 address and a MAC address how is the liveness being tested/maintained? i.e. If a "learnt" target IP goes off link and the Rbridge keeps responding to NS messages wouldn't it make troubleshooting a nightmare? * Section 3.2 case a): There is no guidance as to why or when an Rbridge would pick cases a1..a5. e.g. When a SEND NS is received only option a2 can work and all others will fail. * Section 3.2 case a.1): What should be the source IPv6 address of the NA generated by the ingress RBridge? Will this be an address of the target of the NS or one of the ingress Rbridge that responds? * Section 3.2: How is an ND message where the target IP is not known handled? This case seems to be left out. |
2016-07-05
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06 | Suresh Krishnan | [Ballot comment] * The draft contains no discussion of SEND (RFC3971) in the Security considerations section when talking about forged ND messages. |
2016-07-05
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06 | Suresh Krishnan | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Suresh Krishnan |
2016-07-05
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06 | Terry Manderson | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Terry Manderson |
2016-07-05
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06 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ben Campbell |
2016-07-05
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06 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard |
2016-07-04
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06 | Mirja Kühlewind | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Mirja Kühlewind |
2016-07-01
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06 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to IESG Evaluation from Waiting for Writeup |
2016-07-01
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06 | Alia Atlas | Ballot has been issued |
2016-07-01
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06 | Alia Atlas | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Alia Atlas |
2016-07-01
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06 | Alia Atlas | Created "Approve" ballot |
2016-07-01
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06 | Alia Atlas | Ballot writeup was changed |
2016-07-01
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06 | (System) | IESG state changed to Waiting for Writeup from In Last Call |
2016-06-30
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Pete Resnick |
2016-06-30
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Pete Resnick |
2016-06-28
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06 | (System) | IANA Review state changed to IANA OK - No Actions Needed from IANA - Review Needed |
2016-06-28
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06 | Sabrina Tanamal | (Via drafts-lastcall-comment@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-06.txt, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this … (Via drafts-lastcall-comment@iana.org): IESG/Authors/WG Chairs: IANA has reviewed draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-06.txt, which is currently in Last Call, and has the following comments: We understand that this document doesn't require any IANA actions. While it's often helpful for a document's IANA Considerations section to remain in place upon publication even if there are no actions, if the authors strongly prefer to remove it, IANA does not object. If this assessment is not accurate, please respond as soon as possible. Thank you, Sabrina Tanamal IANA Specialist ICANN |
2016-06-23
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06 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Christopher Inacio |
2016-06-23
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06 | Tero Kivinen | Request for Last Call review by SECDIR is assigned to Christopher Inacio |
2016-06-20
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Pete Resnick |
2016-06-20
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06 | Jean Mahoney | Request for Last Call review by GENART is assigned to Pete Resnick |
2016-06-20
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06 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Jon Mitchell |
2016-06-20
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06 | Gunter Van de Velde | Request for Last Call review by OPSDIR is assigned to Jon Mitchell |
2016-06-17
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06 | Amy Vezza | IANA Review state changed to IANA - Review Needed |
2016-06-17
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06 | Amy Vezza | The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" CC: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization@ietf.org, trill-chairs@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org, skh@ndzh.com, akatlas@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org … The following Last Call announcement was sent out: From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" CC: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization@ietf.org, trill-chairs@ietf.org, trill@ietf.org, skh@ndzh.com, akatlas@gmail.com Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org Sender: Subject: Last Call: (TRILL: ARP/ND Optimization) to Proposed Standard The IESG has received a request from the Transparent Interconnection of Lots of Links WG (trill) to consider the following document: - 'TRILL: ARP/ND Optimization' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2016-07-01. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization/ IESG discussion can be tracked via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization/ballot/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. |
2016-06-17
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06 | Amy Vezza | IESG state changed to In Last Call from Last Call Requested |
2016-06-17
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06 | Alia Atlas | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2016-07-07 |
2016-06-17
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06 | Alia Atlas | Last call was requested |
2016-06-17
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06 | Alia Atlas | Last call announcement was generated |
2016-06-17
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06 | Alia Atlas | Ballot approval text was generated |
2016-06-17
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06 | Alia Atlas | Ballot writeup was generated |
2016-06-17
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06 | Alia Atlas | IESG state changed to Last Call Requested from Publication Requested |
2016-06-17
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06 | Alia Atlas | Changed consensus to Yes from Unknown |
2016-04-25
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06 | Xian Zhang | Request for Early review by RTGDIR Completed: Has Nits. Reviewer: Geoff Huston. |
2016-04-22
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06 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-06.txt |
2016-04-14
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05 | Xian Zhang | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Geoff Huston |
2016-04-14
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05 | Xian Zhang | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Geoff Huston |
2016-03-18
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05 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-05.txt |
2016-03-17
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04 | Susan Hares | Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 3/17/2016 Note to AD (Alia) -05.txt is expected to have RFC7357 to fix nits, … Shepherd write-up Template version: 24 February 2012. Shepherd: Susan Hares Date: 3/17/2016 Note to AD (Alia) -05.txt is expected to have RFC7357 to fix nits, but I suspect you will have other comments. type of RFC: Proposed standard (1) What type of RFC is being requested (BCP, Proposed Standard, Internet Standard, Informational, Experimental, or Historic)? Why is this the proper type of RFC? Is this type of RFC indicated in the title page header? Specifies an optimized ARP/ND responses to be implemented in TRILL RBridges. Standard specifies an optional, but highly useful additional to TRILL to reduce ARP/ND query flooding. (2) The IESG approval announcement includes a Document Announcement Write-Up. Please provide such a Document Announcement Write-Up. Recent examples can be found in the "Action" announcements for approved documents. The approval announcement contains the following sections: Technical Summary This document describes mechanisms to optimize the ARP (Address Resolution Protocol) and ND (Neighbor Discovery) traffic in TRILL campus. Such optimization reduces packet flooding over a TRILL campus. Working Group Summary This WG Draft is part of a directory service solution that has been discussed for 3 years. Consensus is strong on the complete solution. Document Quality a) Are there existing implementations of the protocol? No, and this draft is part of a 4 draft directory service dealing with directory services. The four drafts are: draft-ietf-trill-directory-assist-mechanisms () - describes the push/pull draft-ietf-trill-channel-tunnel-05 - secure tunnel for directory push draft-ietf-trill-ia-appsubtlv-05 - reporting of addresses for TRILL interfaces in ISIS application sub-TLV (reduces/replaces need for ARP/ND ) draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization - mechanism to optimize ARP and ND traffic on TRILL campus b) Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Directory service mechanism are currently implemented as proprietary fashions by every vendor that does some variant of TRILL (cisco, brocade, Huawei and others). Until we get a full standard solution approved, the existing vendors with "early TRILL" implementations have little reason to switch. Huawei is planning implementations. Potentially Brocade and Cisco could switch to these mechanisms, but unless IETF standards are out as a set - this may not occur. Shepherd review: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE Revision -01 https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i-d-announce/2hbdxmCfRW34_AgGaBC0mGGJMF8 (note: no change to RFC2119 text, Shepherd is checking on the right RFC2199 text). Routing QA review: Eric Gray http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html WG LC: Personnel AD: Alia Atlas WG chairs: Susan Hares and Jon Hudson Document Shepherd: Susan Hares Routing QA Review: No (3) Briefly describe the review of this document that was performed by the Document Shepherd. If this version of the document is not ready for publication, please explain why the document is being forwarded to the IESG. 1) review of text and concepts https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/trill/SVmP0QNwY3UaVhbjkweULl1ZxLE 2) Routing QA Reviewer: Eric Gray: Minor concerns http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/rtg-dir/current/msg02606.html 3) WG LC comments - TBD (4) Does the document Shepherd have any concerns about the depth or breadth of the reviews that have been performed? No. - TBD additional comments. (5) Do portions of the document need review from a particular or from broader perspective, e.g., security, operational complexity, AAA, DNS, DHCP, XML, or internationalization? If so, describe the review that took place. Internet Directorate should review for ARP/ND. Ralph Droms knows these concepts. OPS/NM Directorate and SEC-DIR should review. (6) Describe any specific concerns or issues that the Document Shepherd has with this document that the Responsible Area Director and/or the IESG should be aware of? For example, perhaps he or she is uncomfortable with certain parts of the document, or has concerns whether there really is a need for it. In any event, if the WG has discussed those issues and has indicated that it still wishes to advance the document, detail those concerns here. No concerns. After 3 years of work on Directory solution, this has been discussed at length and throughly in WG. (7) Has each author confirmed that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed. If not, explain why. Yizhou LI https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07194.html Radia Perlman https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07202.html Linda Dunbar https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07203.html Donald Eastlake https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07193.html (8) Has an IPR disclosure been filed that references this document? If so, summarize any WG discussion and conclusion regarding the IPR disclosures. No IPR Disclosures (9) How solid is the WG consensus behind this document? Does it represent the strong concurrence of a few individuals, with others being silent, or does the WG as a whole understand and agree with it? Based on 3 years of work on directory service and lots of discussion, the consensus is strong with all parties agreeing on the solution set. (10) Has anyone threatened an appeal or otherwise indicated extreme discontent? If so, please summarise the areas of conflict in separate email messages to the Responsible Area Director. (It should be in a separate email because this questionnaire is publicly available.) no. (11) Identify any ID nits the Document Shepherd has found in this document. (See https://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ and the Internet-Drafts Checklist). Boilerplate checks are not enough; this check needs to be thorough. NITS - TBD on last draft (12) Describe how the document meets any required formal review criteria, such as the MIB Doctor, media type, and URI type reviews. No formal review for any criteria. (13) Have all references within this document been identified as either normative or informative? yes - RFC7357 - will be added by authors (version -05.txt) (14) Are there normative references to documents that are not ready for advancement or are otherwise in an unclear state? If such normative references exist, what is the plan for their completion? none (15) Are there downward normative references references (see RFC 3967)? If so, list these downward references to support the Area Director in the Last Call procedure. No (16) Will publication of this document change the status of any existing RFCs? Are those RFCs listed on the title page header, listed in the abstract, and discussed in the introduction? If the RFCs are not listed in the Abstract and Introduction, explain why, and point to the part of the document where the relationship of this document to the other RFCs is discussed. If this information is not in the document, explain why the WG considers it unnecessary. No - this is new work. (17) Describe the Document Shepherd's review of the IANA considerations section, especially with regard to its consistency with the body of the document. Confirm that all protocol extensions that the document makes are associated with the appropriate reservations in IANA registries. Confirm that any referenced IANA registries have been clearly identified. Confirm that newly created IANA registries include a detailed specification of the initial contents for the registry, that allocations procedures for future registrations are defined, and a reasonable name for the new registry has been suggested (see RFC 5226). No IANA Actions (18) List any new IANA registries that require Expert Review for future allocations. Provide any public guidance that the IESG would find useful in selecting the IANA Experts for these new registries. None. (19) Describe reviews and automated checks performed by the Document Shepherd to validate sections of the document written in a formal language, such as XML code, BNF rules, MIB definitions, etc. None needed. |
2016-03-17
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04 | Susan Hares | Responsible AD changed to Alia Atlas |
2016-03-17
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04 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to Submitted to IESG for Publication from WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up |
2016-03-17
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04 | Susan Hares | IESG state changed to Publication Requested |
2016-03-17
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04 | Susan Hares | IESG process started in state Publication Requested |
2016-03-17
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04 | Susan Hares | Changed document writeup |
2016-03-17
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04 | Susan Hares | Changed document writeup |
2016-03-10
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04 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-04.txt |
2016-03-04
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03 | Donald Eastlake | See consensus posting at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/trill/current/msg07174.html |
2016-03-04
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03 | Donald Eastlake | IETF WG state changed to WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up from In WG Last Call |
2016-02-13
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03 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-03.txt |
2016-02-08
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02 | Susan Hares | IETF WG state changed to In WG Last Call from WG Document |
2016-02-08
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02 | Susan Hares | Changed document writeup |
2016-01-13
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02 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-02.txt |
2016-01-04
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01 | Susan Hares | Changed document writeup |
2015-10-14
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01 | (System) | Notify list changed from "Susan Hares" to (None) |
2015-10-13
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01 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-01.txt |
2015-06-08
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00 | Jonathan Hardwick | Closed request for Early review by RTGDIR with state 'No Response' |
2015-06-08
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00 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR Completed: Has Nits. Reviewer: Eric Gray. |
2015-06-08
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00 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Eric Gray |
2015-06-08
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00 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Eric Gray |
2015-05-20
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00 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Manav Bhatia |
2015-05-20
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00 | Jonathan Hardwick | Request for Early review by RTGDIR is assigned to Manav Bhatia |
2015-04-01
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00 | Donald Eastlake | This document now replaces draft-yizhou-trill-arp-optimization, draft-trill-trill-arp-optimization instead of None |
2015-04-01
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00 | Donald Eastlake | Notification list changed to "Susan Hares" <skh@ndzh.com> |
2015-04-01
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00 | Donald Eastlake | Document shepherd changed to Susan Hares |
2015-04-01
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00 | Donald Eastlake | Intended Status changed to Proposed Standard from None |
2015-04-01
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00 | Yizhou Li | New version available: draft-ietf-trill-arp-optimization-00.txt |