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RFC SERIES OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE (RSOC)
May 7, 2018 RSOC Meeting

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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 Nevil Brownlee
 Heather Flanagan (RSE, non-voting)
 Joel Halpern
 Tony Hansen 
 Bob Hinden
 Cindy Morgan (Scribe, non-voting)
 Adam Roach
 Robert Sparks (Lead) 
 Portia Wenze-Danley 

REGRETS
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 Sarah Banks (Chair) 
 Martin Thomson


MINUTES
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0. Review of minutes

  The minutes of the 12 April 2018 RSOC meeting were approved. 

1. Format work update

  Heather Flanagan reported that the RPC is currently testing the rfc-
  xmldiff, svgcheck, and rfclint tools. Some of the tools the RPC has 
  used for decades might have to run differently than they have in the 
  past in order to account for changes in character sets and workflow.

  The current planning timeline is available at 
  <https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/FormatToolsPlan>.

  Robert Sparks reported that the v3 PublicationFormatter should be out 
  shortly.

  Nevil Brownlee noted that the version of SVG that has been decided on 
  does not allow markers. Robert Sparks asked Nevil to start a thread 
  about that on the tools-development list.


2. IAB and RSOC changes

  Robert Sparks reported that the IAB recently had discussion about how 
  to manage the RSOC membership going forward. The plan being discussed 
  has the IAB sending out a call for nominations and asking any current 
  RSOC members who are interested in remaining to respond to that call 
  for nominations. The proposed timeline has the IAB doing interviews in 
  Montreal with the appointments being finalized a few weeks after that.

  Joel Halpern noted that the RSOC should wait to hold their retreat and 
  chair elections until after the new RSOC is seated.


3. Changes to the IS stream

  Heather Flanagan reported that the IAB spent time at their recent 
  retreat talking about the RFC stream structure, in particular the 
  Independent Submission stream. Martin Thomson has a draft <https://
  martinthomson.github.io/is-the-future/draft-thomson-is-the-
  future.html> (not yet posted to the Internet-Drafts repository) that 
  outlines how the stream is currently being used and how it might be 
  used in the future. The Independent Submissions Editorial Board is not 
  happy with the direction proposed in that draft, and discussions are 
  ongoing.

  Heather Flanagan asked why the RSE and RSOC were not tasked to take on 
  the question of the stream structure. Robert Sparks replied that the 
  IAB is responsible for the stream structure, and in particular is 
  responsible for the Independent Submission stream and the appointment 
  of the Independent Submissions Editor.

  Joel Halpern observed that this topic comes up every 5-10 years. 
  Robert Sparks replied that he thinks the conversation will play out a 
  bit differently this time.

  Heather Flanagan asked if people should speak up as individuals, or if 
  it would be helpful for RSOC to make a statement. Robert Sparks 
  replied that for now, the conversation is happening amongst 
  individuals, but it will need to be taken to the broader RFC community 
  as it progresses.

4. RPC update
 4.1 GitHub experiment 

  The RPC is working with the authors, editors, and ADs associated with 
  the TLS 1.3 and JSEP drafts on a limited experiment around the use of 
  GitHub during AUTH48. The goal is to determine both the value and 
  level of effort required when using a version control service during 
  the final editing process of a document. The RSE will work with all 
  parties to create a report at the close of this experiment regarding 
  what was learned, and to inform future work around improving the 
  AUTH48 process. 

 4.2 Format tool testing 

  As mentioned in the Format work update above, editors are testing the 
  new format tools.

 4.3 C238 status

  Of the 10 documents in cluster 238 that have not yet been received by 
  the RFC Editor, only one is still with the Working Group. The RPC 
  continues to edit the documents they have during spare moments, but 
  there will be a great impact on the editors' time when that cluster 
  finally releases. 

 4.4 YANG module processes 

  The RPC has been working to get the YANG modules properly in a state 
  to be posted on the IANA site. There has been a lot of back and forth 
  on getting the YANG tools to a state such that the YANG module can be 
  properly extracted and submitted to IANA. This has been taking up a 
  fair amount of RPC time.

  Adam Roach said that this was the first he had heard about this, and 
  that the IESG may not be aware of the situation. Robert Sparks 
  suggested that the RPC should push back on the IESG to only give them 
  documents that are IANA-ready.

 4.5 Staffing

  A new part-time editor has been hired to replace an editor who left at 
  the end of April.

  Sandy Ginoza's maternity leave is scheduled to begin in June.

5. TC46 / SC9

  Heather Flanagan reported that ISO TC46/SC9 has come back about 
  standardizing RFC 8141 on the ISOC fast track, and says that the only 
  way to do that is for the IETF to establish a Category A liaison with 
  TC46/SC9. John Klensin is doing further research into the matter, and 
  the IAB has been made aware.

6. AOB

  Robert Sparks suggested that it would be good to have a refresher on 
  how the SLA works at a future RSOC meeting.